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SpicyLemonZest an hour ago

Bars consistently serve people who will later drive home drunk, and yet it would be wrong to say the purpose of a bar is to cause drunk driving.

vrganj an hour ago | parent [-]

If you reread my comment, you will see that I never said the purpose was what it does.

That word choice was not by accident, it wasn't meant to be a simple paraphrase.

I said a system is what it does. In this case bars are the cause of drunk driving, just like in my parallel. Not on purpose. But by effect.

You mismatched my statement to the famous quote, then pointed out it didn't fit. I know that one doesn't. That's why I said something different.

My entire point is that identity and effect are not the same as purpose.

SpicyLemonZest 17 minutes ago | parent [-]

I don't understand your point. Identity and effect are not the same as purpose, but identity also isn't the same as effect. If a news headline read "Bars are encouraging foreigners to drive drunk", and the contents were just that the reporter compiled a list of 14 foreigners who were served alcohol when the bartender knew they drove there, I would say that's similarly misleading.

vrganj 12 minutes ago | parent [-]

What if it was a list of 14 foreigners that were given money for drinking even though the bartender knew they drove there?