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altairprime 4 hours ago

I argued for years that we had too few workers for our total project count and management argued that most projects were idle and so it was fine to have so many per worker.

Welp.

_pdp_ 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I think web-based IDEs like GitHub Codespaces (but even VSCode with tunnels) is part of the solution because at the very least you can get an isolated dev environment per project. I've been advocating for this for as long as I remember.

Unfortunately, most developers don't like them so it is a though sell.

63stack 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Why do most developers not like it? Is it because the browser is a terrible platform for text editors since there is no proper key mapping, or access to proper debuggers, or there is too much latency, and no access to cli tools?

You make it sound like you are surprised, but everyone who has tried this knows it's crap and a band aid at best.

nosioptar 29 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I really tried to give vscode an honest shot.

I couldn't find anything about it that was even half as good as a real text editor.

It made writing code feel like a chore. I usually love writing code.

greggroth 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I hope folks know they can use Codespaces in their desktop editor. I never use the web editor.

fc417fc802 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why would I ever want to use a browser based solution instead of local VMs? If you're worried about VM escapes then you have bigger problems (and hopefully a full time security team supporting you).

Edit: I realize in hindsight this comes across as overly negative. I think those are great solutions to have available for when you are working with a suboptimal local setup for whatever reason. I just don't think they're the default choice let alone any sort of ideal to strive for.

domh 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Web-based IDEs like VSCode on github just had a 1-click github token stealing vulnerability: https://blog.ammaraskar.com/github-token-stealing/

You could argue this is probably on GitHub for creating a token here that gives blanket access to all repos vs a scoped token for just the repo.

jasonjayr 43 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is the leg of the cycle when we go back to mainframes & centralized computing? With all the datacenter build out; why wouldn't you want your services adjacent to the LLM processing centers?

altairprime 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Is the theory here that the browser cannot be co-opted to infect web-based repositories? Also: thinking of how yt-dlp can integrate with browser cookies now and the malware paths that opens up. (This is part of why Chrome wants HSM cookies, I expect: DRM and opsec!)

_pdp_ 3 hours ago | parent [-]

In this scenario the malware will not be on the device but in an isolated dev environment on a remote machine. So it will have access to whatever was configured in that repo but hopefully the project is isolated enough to ensure containment and prevent cross-pollination.

repelsteeltje 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I don't think the cloud (someone else's computer) is the best solution. The sanitation problem can be mitigated by compartimentization but the cloud aspect also adds brittleness and new attack vectors.

Why not set up proper containers (or VMs) locally? And why not wait a little till local LLMs catch up?

Maybe just a personal itch, but having your dev environment elsewhere feels so gross to me..

altairprime 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That’s a big, labor-expensive if.