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jojobas 5 hours ago

Hardly an argument to import teachers on work visas.

bluegatty 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It's literally exactly the argument.

If teachers were underpaid - it would be a poor argument.

But if there's an acute shortage of 'key' workers in jobs that require education, for jobs where wages are materially above market pricing - then this is where you want H1B type programs.

The idea is that it should not harm the local market for labour, and it's usually not reasonable to expect market wages to be a radical departure from where they would be otherwise.

Aka - if teachers are earning $80K on average, then it's not going to work out i some small towns need to pay $150K to bring people in from the city, it also creates problems for locals.

Special worker programs can be well utilized here in the right circumstances.

The 'bad' scenario is when labour market is flooded where those jobs would otherwise go to locals.

Tata/Infosys (generic IT workers) are alone probably 80% of the problem.

AngryData 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This would hold more weight if teachers in rural areas weren't getting paid less than half your thought experiment average.

bluegatty 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Your little comment would have more weight it had any factual substance.

Average teachers salary in US is 75K and it's over 100K in California.

[1]https://www.nea.org/nea.org/nea-today/all-news-articles/teac...

jojobas 43 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Teachers are underpaid. No occupation paying under median wage in the area should be granted work visa.

culopatin 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It’s a matter of incentives. The avg American grows up with certain “American dream” that clashes with that rural America life. There is no incentive to leave everything behind and go be basically alone. Immigrants have a “lower” baseline or just want the experience of being abroad, or are willing to put up with rural living because from wherever they are, it looks better. You’d have to entice a city teacher to move to rural America.

You’ll say “pay them more”. But who are you taxing more? Because no one is happy when the gov starts looking at being more efficient and starts laying off some admin people either.

jojobas 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Teachers were like 4% of all H1Bs. Using CS/AI H1B proceeds to increase pay to rural teachers more seems like a no-brainer. The current Alaskan teacher pay seems to be below median, which seems like an good threshold to disallow H1B workers altogether.

bijowo1676 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Have you considered the possibility that H1B teachers are simply better (at any price point) ?

H1B proceeds go to fund USCIS and its staff, they do not go towards local school districts.

This whole discussion is full of racists and haters who dont know anything about the subject beyond clickbait titles

dani__german an hour ago | parent | next [-]

"H1B teachers are simply better"

Considering the overwhelming demographics of H1B visas are massively racially different from the US, this is Racism, pure and simple.

This is the undercurrent of H1B immigration: people who harbor racism against the US's predominate demographic doing anything they can to scam the system and enrich themselves no matter the cost to others.

bijowo1676 an hour ago | parent [-]

I have provided data below. US teachers have an extremely low bar

NoMoreNicksLeft 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

>Have you considered the possibility that H1B teachers are simply better (at any price point) ?

That sounds sort of racist, actually.

bijowo1676 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It is not racist, but it is true. The Education major is one of the bottom majors, Americans with the lowest grades and lowest SAT scores go on to become public school teachers. and it is well known information among Americans themselves.

https://x.com/marcportermagee/status/1954326425072546055/pho...

https://reports.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/2023-total-group-...

  The average SAT for Education majors: 1023
  It’s ranked 24th, behind Communications (19th), Library Science (13th), and English (11th). The top major: Math.
while foreigners on H1B are top percentile in academic performance and scoring and generally H1B attract top 1% talent from the global talent pool, especially given there are only like 60k visas issued per year.

People who look at the stats objectively should be the first ones to advocate for more H1B teachers, if that meant children would get dramatically better education

annzabelle 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Someone has never had to clean up code written by WITCH H1Bs.

bijowo1676 2 hours ago | parent [-]

What this has to do with American public school teachers coming from the bottom of the barrel of talent pool ???

annzabelle 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Your claim that H1Bs come from the cream of the crop is patently false.

Erem 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Americans are every race. How could it be racist?

riknos314 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Are teaching and software engineering even job categories that overlap enough that they should compete for the same pool of visas?

It seems to me things would be better if they were classified as different visa categories.

bijowo1676 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

so you want to leave rural children without teachers?

SecretDreams 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I think the commenter is volunteering to go themselves.

jojobas 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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bijowo1676 5 hours ago | parent [-]

I find your reference to "third worlders" a bit offensive and racist. "First worlders" (whatever that means for you) also do apply for H1B visas, just FYI.

If you imply that teachers on visa are somehow inferior or worse then citizen teachers (non-existent btw since noone is volunteering for Alaska gig), you are either being terribly misinformed or just bigoted.

throwaway85825 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

With foreign accents its often hard to understand what's being said, and harder when there's a whole class and the student doesnt want to be disruptive.

SilverElfin 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I don’t find it hard to understand foreign accents of all kinds. Why do you? It seems like a basic part of English comprehension. Obviously large companies don’t have issues with their CEOs being Indians with accents. They’re speaking to their employees, board, and the public and it’s not an issue.

bijowo1676 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You are being bigoted or ignorant again. There is a whole meme of people with Indian accents, explaining things on YouTube, and Americans genuinely appreciating their lessons because American teachers with perfect English like yours have failed to explain the subject properly

throwawaytea 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

There's also a huge group of people that instantly click away from a video as soon as they hear an indian voice. They won't show up in the comments.

throwaway85825 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Again? I'm not the parent commentor.

I find it harder to learn if I have to decipher the words not the content. This is true for lots of different accents. This is a common experience for those not overindexing on ethnonarcissism.

jojobas an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

India accounts for 70% of H1B against say UK, France or Japans 1% each.

Alaskan school teachers are paid below Alaskan median wage. If you support importing workforce to be fill less-than-median-paying roles you haven't thought about it very well (chances are you never will).

>racist bigoted

These are not magic words that somehow make your argument sound. Delegating bringing up children to underpaid workers from foreign cultures, desperate enough to consider this deal an improvement, cannot end well.