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BenFranklin100 6 hours ago

First, I think the H1B does need genuine reform to keep the big companies from gaming the lottery system.

Having said that, I’m not sure banning H1Bs or immigrants in general is going to help American workers. Take tech for instance. Many tech leaders are immigrants. If they hasn’t taken in the Jensen Huang’s, Sergei Brin’s, Sundar Pichai, etc… the companies they lead and jobs they created would be elsewhere. It’s amazing how immigrants have shaped the US tech scene:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2026/06/03/immig...

Second, when you ban immigrants/H1B, companies get around the ban by outsourcing to foreign countries.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2017/06/10/if-yo...

kevin_thibedeau 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The 45th president was supposed to deliver that reform. Then they went all out and... commissioned a study. Then they did nothing, once the puppet masters let it be know they didn't want to lose their servile work force chained to their visas with a green card dangled in front of them.

Dig1t 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They raise the cost of housing and suppress wages. The people who benefit from immigration are the billionaire class.

Sundar Pichai is a terrible example, he presided over the enshittification of Google and led the company basically nowhere. Satya Nadella is a similar story for Microsoft. The real reason Google is turning around on AI is because the founders quietly returned and have been leading the charge internally to save Google.

>the companies they lead and jobs they created would be elsewhere.

1/2 of Google's founders were Americans born in the US and the search industry already existed before Google was founded. I don't think there's a real argument that the search industry would have been founded anywhere else other than in the US. There's virtually no chance that had Sergei Brin's family stayed in Moscow, that Google would have been founded in Moscow and all of Google's jobs would today somehow exist in Russia. Same goes for Nvidia and all of these other companies. Silicon Valley was already a booming hub which had invented almost all of the foundational tech that today's computing industry was built on. It was built by Americans and regardless would have continued to be built by Americans.

BenFranklin100 5 hours ago | parent [-]

“It was built by Americans and regardless would have continued to be built by Americans.”

The xenophobic ignorance of this sentence is breathtaking. America, of all places, is a nation built precisely by immigrants.

throwaway85825 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Settlers not immigrants. Immigrants come to a country and people that already exist. Settlers build anew.

BenFranklin100 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Historically then, unless you are a Native American, you are an immigrant.

Perhaps it’s time for to GTFO? Is that the message?

Hacker News really resembles a MAGA rally at times

throwaway85825 4 hours ago | parent [-]

When the plymouth colony was established the amerindian population was greatly reduced due to disease that swept through <5 years before. The colonists found many empty villages.

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5xp7B7ISI1DymhuoGuoN_WWl...

peyton 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Refugees is maybe more accurate when it comes to country. We sprouted out of the social scene that was displaced by the English Civil War.

throwaway85825 5 hours ago | parent [-]

And the wars of religion generally. Eg, the Dutch in Pennsylvania and hugenots.