| ▲ | itstotallykyle 3 hours ago |
| It's wild, I have worked internationally for a long-time and the rule when going to certain countries was bring a burner device. Going to China essentially meant the device was nuked on return to the States, now it is the same feeling to/from the US. |
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| ▲ | abujazar 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| That's exactly what European governments and corporations will have to start doing. Adding the US to the same list as Russia, China, Israel, Iran etc. |
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| ▲ | chasd00 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Going to China means your devices are owned when the plane touches down if not before. That’s why you bring a burner device (including laptop and anything else), never log into anything, and throw it in the trash when you leave. |
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| ▲ | gruez 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | >Going to China means your devices are owned when the plane touches down if not before. ??? Are American made operating systems (Android, iOS, Windows, Mac) so full of 0days that the Chinese are burning them on random travelers? This just feels like either severe paranoia and/or chinese/american psyop, making people think that China has some magic hacking power. | | |
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| ▲ | Caarticles 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The list of countries where you need a burner phone will likely grow longer. Canada, Australia, UK, some developing countries, etc... |
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| ▲ | jandrewrogers 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Governments maintain formal lists of countries for these types of things. I think people would be surprised how many diverse countries are on the formal lists. A number of European countries have been on them for years. | |
| ▲ | 866-RON-0-FEZ 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Australia's been doing this forever. | | |
| ▲ | smdyc1 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | We have? My international relatives have never been searched to that degree, if at all. That said, the whole thing is overreach in any democratic society. | | |
| ▲ | 866-RON-0-FEZ 26 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | I've binge watched enough Australian Border Patrol videos to know that: 1. You don't fuck around with Australian customs agents. Ever. 2. They make every other country look like complete lightweights, Americans and EU included. These guys will fine you AU $500 for half an eaten apple in your bag. | | |
| ▲ | angry_octet 12 minutes ago | parent [-] | | They may fine you for attempting to import a plant, but they won't imprison you in El Salvador for having liked a meme they don't like on US social media. |
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| ▲ | Spooky23 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Read the stories about people who actually have this happen. You can usually figure out why they are targeted. That may not be just. But it is. Customs agents are always given broad discretion and generally care about something. Most normal folks will never intact with these issues. The last time I travelled internationally, they weren’t even doing secondary customs screening upon return to the US. |
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| ▲ | gonzalohm 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Someone should make an app to offload all your data to a personal cloud before going to the airport and then reload it into the phone after going through customs |
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| ▲ | bdcravens an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | In the case of Apple, couldn't you reset the phone, sign in to a backup iCloud account, and then repeat the process with your real account once you're clear? Not a fast process, but most people have GBs of personal data so nothing would be quick anyways. | | |
| ▲ | angry_octet 9 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | It's impossible to log in with just a password, you need to okay it on an Apple device. If ICE has that Apple device and a person who knows the password they can do the same. Also they'll detain you for having a suspicious burner phone and interrogate you about your social media etc. | |
| ▲ | gonzalohm 21 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | In theory that could work (although I have never owned an iPhone) but usually there is stuff that doesn't backup (specially settings for apps, logged accounts, etc.) and it becomes tedious to have to sign in manually. Ideally we should be able to just snapshot everything and then restore from that state. Kind of like EC2 or Digital Ocean |
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| ▲ | ZiiS 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | All backup apps work, no special requirements. Seedvault for my LiniageOS. | | |
| ▲ | aucisson_masque 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Seedvault doesn't work half of the time. | |
| ▲ | XorNot 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | They don't work well in my experience. What I want is to get my home screen back exactly as I left it: I've not found anything able to pull it off on Android though. Ideally it would be an exact flash image of the phone. | | |
| ▲ | stavros 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Adb backup exists, though I haven't tried it, and Google cloud backup does this. However, if you trust Google, you probably already trust the US. Unfortunately, I don't know of any other app that does this on an unrooted phone. | | |
| ▲ | gruez 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | >Adb backup exists, though I haven't tried it, It's very patchy, and many (most?) apps opt out, so it's functionally useless. |
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| ▲ | antman an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Had the same guidance for many years for visiting the US given by the large US firm that employed me |
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| ▲ | Kim_Bruning 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| For GDPR reasons alone it's probably not a good idea to take a business phone across certain borders. You run the risk of disclosing customer data to a 3rd party, if only because the customer data in your phone book counts as PII. So long as only a few countries are doing this, it might seems doable. If everyone starts doing it, international travel becomes rather annoying to say the least. Realistically I think at some point a detente might want to be reached, with everyone agreeing not to search everyone else's electronics. |
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| ▲ | jazz9k 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| China installs malware to spy on you. The US doesn't do this. Totally different situation. This also happens in many other countries |
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| ▲ | gruez 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | >China installs malware to spy on you. The US doesn't do this. Source? Are we talking on random travelers, or targeted individuals? I seriously doubt china is doing the former, and I also seriously doubt the US doesn't engage in the latter. | | |
| ▲ | Spooky23 an hour ago | parent [-] | | There are many well cited examples. I believe in politically sensitive areas like Xinjiang it happens to everyone. A past employer gave specific advice regarding Hong Kong as well. I think the key thing as a traveller isn’t the righteousness of China vs. US. It’s the chilling effect on travel and trade. We really depend on these devices that have access to vast scopes of personal and other data. That sexy text you got a year ago is still in your text message store and may be a problem in some places. | | |
| ▲ | gruez an hour ago | parent [-] | | If we're talking about targeted hacks, are we sure the US doesn't do this? Is US soil off limits for hacks somehow? What plausible exploits could be done when someone is on US soil, but not over the internet, especially on modern phones where the baseband is isolated? |
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