>And it does get people into a lot of trouble.

Pretty much everyone takes it at face value unless we know otherwise from prior experience. Even the most advanced models make embarrassing mistakes and fumble with simple tasks. Yet we are very willing to give them exceptional slack for it? I wish I knew why. Are people just that easily overcome by confident voices?

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jdmichal 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Are people just that easily overcome by confident voices?

Back in high school, my AP calculus class did some experiments with our teacher's blessing. We'd send a kid out to walk around during class and see how long it took for them to get sent back. Anyway, it ends up that walking around purposely with a piece of paper or envelope, like you're on a mission to deliver it, was a very successful tactic.

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operatingthetan 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I've seen internet comments similar: "put on a yellow vest and carry a clipboard and you can enter any building, anywhere." Confidence is scary, and often misleading.

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jubilanti 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This is a dumb meme that has been in so many movies and reposted so many times since I first saw it on 1980s BBSes that it has become true in the imaginations of people who love reading The Anarchist Cookbook and fantasize about this kind of thing, but would never actually do it.

Confidence is a spectrum and security is situational. In some places, a yellow vest adds to the con. In others, everyone has to be signed in. In others, the wrong kind of yellow vest makes you stick out like a sore thumb. The right kind of yellow vest can also make you stick out: "Oh shit the inspector is here, somebody get the boss!"

	▲	operatingthetan 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Yesterday there were people poking around my neighbors yard for a few hours with yellow vests on. The neighbor was nowhere to be seen and I didn’t call the cops. It was probably above board but the phenomena being discussed is obviously real. Projecting authority often grants it.

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JoeAltmaier 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Or an inspector's hard hat in a construction zone. Nobody wants to confront the inspector.

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zaat an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

At least for me, the answer is that despite the mistakes and the sheer annoyance the prose causes me, they are unbelievably useful. I accomplished multiple major achievements in the last two years that most probably wouldn't be possible at all, surely not within that timeframe.

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saltcured 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I find it really disturbing, I think because it is illuminating a much more basic problem. It is there in our political and religious histories. We're living through a similar political time right now. A large number of people seem all to ready to find some pervasive authority and subjugate themselves to it.

The more concrete machine authority figure is also prevalent in scifi literature. Sometimes, I am not even certain if the author is doing this to examine this issue versus just leaning into it as either appealing to themselves or to the perceived audience.

	▲	awesome_dude 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Conversely - we tell people who are speaking in public to "Show confidence" - or in job interviews "Hire people who are confident" We've also pushed back "The more a person knows, the less confident they are" - Dunning Kruger - often used to dismiss over confident people - points out that people are really confident, at first, then that confidence drops away, markedly, but it rebuilds (slowly). That last rise in confidence is what (I believe) people use as a heuristic on the likely level of knowledge possessed by the speaker (AI or human) Most engineers know, though, that overconfident people are toxic - the difference between arrogance and genuine confidence in the answer is incredibly difficult to define.

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awesome_dude 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yeah - I don't know /why/ but, as I say, I've been guilty of that myself, very recently, despite knowing it's a shockingly poor guide when left to its own devices.

Maybe because when it's right it actually expands my knowledge - there have been genuine instances where it's gone - something to the effect of - "Yo, there's this other idea for approaching the problem" which has turned out to be exactly what I was looking for?