| ▲ | operatingthetan 4 hours ago |
| >anthropomorphism problem. AI is a tool. It needs to be subservient. Suggesting it should be 'subservient' is also anthropomorphizing. I think your callout is correct, but you still can't help but refer to it in terms we use for other people or living entities. This is by design from the AI companies. |
|
| ▲ | gchamonlive 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| > Suggesting it should be 'subservient' is also anthropomorphizing. Not really, you can program a machine to give out orders humans can interpret, so humans can serve a machine that isn't anthropomorphized. |
| |
|
| ▲ | amarant 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Yup! I'm very much included in this particular problem! My self awareness has not yet been sufficient to solve the problem, but I've heard that knowing you have a problem is half the battle, so I guess that's something at least. |
| |
|
| ▲ | ambicapter 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The AI should be subservient the way same way a ladder is subservient. A ladder is not a human. |
|
| ▲ | throwatdem12311 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| AI should be subservient in the same way a hammer is subservient. |
| |
| ▲ | 27 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | [deleted] | |
| ▲ | cindyllm 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | [dead] | |
| ▲ | mercanlIl 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Which is to say, not at all? A hammer isn’t subservient, it doesn’t have the capacity to be. Saying a hammer is subservient is stretching the definition for literary flourish, but it doesn’t actually make a lot of sense. The definition that came up for subservient when I checked was “prepared to obey others unquestioningly“. | | |
| ▲ | hansmayer 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | You took it too literally. It means, the f*ing tool should do one thing well and f*off with its crappy "suggestions". Why is my washing machine trying to do talk to me nowadays? Once its done washing my clothes, it should just shut the f*up and turn itself off. I"ll tend to the clothes when I have time. Not when the machine tells me to. We are overwhelmed with the machines designed by morons in product management who think they are designing futuristic tech when they ask engineers to build a beeping washing machine. | | |
| ▲ | zaat 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The idea is that by the time you will have time and remember the clothes might be smelly and wrinkled. The issue is with the genius product manager that decided the washing machine should have the most annoying beep possible, repeating every minute whether you like it or not, until turned off. Luckily, some manufacturers do employ better product manager. | |
| ▲ | cindyllm 41 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | [dead] |
|
|
|
|
| ▲ | wild_egg 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| We train dogs to be subservient but that doesn't automatically mean we anthropomorphize them |
| |
| ▲ | vrc 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's widely hypothesized that dogs anthropomorphized themselves, so to speak, accentuating their expressive eyes and eyebrows over generations to be more human-like in how they communicate. And very few humans today view their dogs as pure working tools -- most at least say "good boy". | |
| ▲ | 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [deleted] |
|
|
| ▲ | irishcoffee 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| My drill, hammer, and chainsaw are also subservient, they just have a much cruder form of communication, noise. |
| |
| ▲ | operatingthetan 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The apple dictionary says the word means "prepared to obey others unquestioningly." I don't think an inanimate object is capable of "obeying." Or at least that is a very strange way to refer to the act of using a tool. | | |
| ▲ | ambicapter 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You can refer to it however you want, the outcome is the same. | | |
| ▲ | operatingthetan 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | This is a conversation about semantics, so suggesting semantics is irrelevant to the outcome is not germane to the discussion at hand. |
| |
| ▲ | irishcoffee 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | When I actuate the chain on my chainsaw to move, it’s obeying me unquestionably, in the same way that when I press a key on my keyboard it obeys me unquestionably. What exactly is the difference? | | |
| ▲ | operatingthetan 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | It’s just a chain reaction. Obeying requires agency (the choice to follow the direction or not). LLMs and chainsaws don’t have it. | | |
| |
| ▲ | wpm 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [dead] |
| |
| ▲ | darkteflon 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I really do feel like “power tool” is the ultimate metaphor for these things. Their interface naturally confuses us into anthropomorphising them, but once you stop treating them like intelligent agents and start treating them with the same wariness, respect and intent you show to your table saw, the fun begins. | |
| ▲ | throwawaysoxjje 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You’re still anthropomorphizing. They’re not communicating, you’re just being observant. | | |
| ▲ | operatingthetan 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | >They’re not communicating, you’re just being observant. Since we are talking about hammers: you hit the nail on the head. The only consciousness, observing, and thinking happening when a person is using an LLM is happening in the person's brain. We project our own consciousness onto them, and that is the anthropomorphizing part. Essentially we empathize with the object because they are designed to respond like a person. The "conversation" is purely an illusion. |
|
|