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| ▲ | llbbdd an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Duolingo is a game, they publish papers studying the addictive properties of their product I comparison to slot machines. They are incentivized heavily to not produce fluent learners. If he's being pushed in another direction to learn, for whatever reason, all the better for him. | |
| ▲ | dfxm12 21 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's been a little over a year, but back when I was using the app, Duolingo advertised their own AI features within the app itself. I wonder if they still do, and if so, why it took watching a YouTube video for it to sink in... | |
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| ▲ | vitally3643 an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | You're being downvoted because you appear to be not asking genuinely and you're trying to cast doubt instead of seeking to understand. Because at this point there's really no excuse for not having any idea why people are mad about AI. If you can't guess it's because you're intentionally ignorant of the problem. Because "just asking" is a specific strategy used do doubt and discredit anyone you disagree with. | | |
| ▲ | thunky an hour ago | parent [-] | | > You're being downvoted because you appear to be not asking genuinely I literally said I was asking genuinely. It's either one of two reasons imo: 1. Their son hates "ai slop" and doesn't think AI is useful. 2. Their son is afraid of not being employable. I see #1 the most here. But I suspect it's a front because the posters don't want to admit #2. Hence my question. I figured it's easier for someone to admit someone else is afraid than admit they are. | | |
| ▲ | array_key_first an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | So you... weren't... asking genuinely. You already came to a conclusion and just wanted to argue. Even if it's "secretly" #2 for most people, is that even unreasonable? It's so bizarre to me that people are acting like a supposedly existential threat on their livelihood is not a reasonable complaint or fear. Historically people, like, behead other people for that. I don't know, I'm older so I have much less fear about my livelihood but I can't blame young people for being worried about it. And, if they are, for choosing not to use AI. In a way, you could argue that using AI is self-destructive. | | |
| ▲ | tracerbulletx an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | The idea that building a hive machine world of ultimate efficiency is a moral imperative greater than creating a good and fair life for the living people of the world is psychotic. We could of course use AI to benefit everyone, but it's so incredibly obvious to everyone that's not going to happen and its hand waved. That's insulting. | |
| ▲ | thunky an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | You're putting a lot of words in my mouth. I shared my assumption. I asked the question to get a real perspective from someone who was already sharing. I didn't know their answer before I asked and still don't. Also I never said #2 was unreasonable. And I don't blame anyone for being fearful either. But there is an anti-tech sentiment on this tech site, and I find ironic and disappointing. | | |
| ▲ | wu2Fe7sp 26 minutes ago | parent [-] | | being anti-ai is not being anti-tech; people have posted language/editor/framework wars here for literal decades, nobody called not liking PHP being anti-tech |
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| ▲ | techblueberry an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Why would no one want to admit #2? I’m afraid. Also it feels like you responded to “people are downvoting you because it feels like a gotcha” with “yes, it is in fact a gotcha” | | |
| ▲ | thunky an hour ago | parent [-] | | I'm just saying I don't see that much here. Most of the negativity is something like "its just a token generator". I don't care about downvotes. I'm just said that from my perspective anything positive about AI on this site will be met with them. What a twist for a tech site. | | |
| ▲ | bigstrat2003 an hour ago | parent [-] | | > from my perspective anything positive about AI on this site will be met with them. What a twist for a tech site. Yes, people are hostile towards a crappy technology that doesn't work as advertised, and is looking like it will cause job shortages because companies are trying to lean on the tech even though it doesn't work. That shouldn't be remotely surprising. |
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| ▲ | surgical_fire 7 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | If that was your stance, the question was never genuine. When you ask a question expecting a certain outcome, you are obviously not very curious about the answer. Also, HN is a somewhat large community. I am skeptical about AI for neither reason you mentioned - I think it's a deadend technology and the economics make no sense. A ridiculous waste of resources sucking up all the oxygen in the room. I don't really care about slop, because that would require me to think that human generated shit is somehow superior. Truth is most things made by humans also suck. I am also not at all afraid of losing my job to AI. I seriously doubt the competence and experience of anyone afraid of it. I am afraid of losing my job because of the incoming brutal economic conditions worldwide that I believe are in the horizon. Partly because of AI, but not because I think agents can do my job; because the humongous amount of money burned in the AI pit has to be accounted for. | |
| ▲ | salawat an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | >But I suspect it's a front because the posters don't want to admit #2. Hence my question. And that's why you're getting reflexively downvoted. Because we can already tell by the way you telegraphed the question you aren't worth wasting time on. As it turns out, some of us don't think our youth shouldn't be able to have the same opportunities we did because a bunch of techies got the financial sector to go all in on greedmaxing. Those of us that actually believe in keeping society functional find very little to be recommended by blind "believer" types who just think you can yank the rug out from under your descendants, and force them to have to shape their life around choices you think are cool. One can be a tech enthusiast and still see that AI is crack cocaine to the type of people who'd set society on fire given they can find someone to help them think through the implementation details, which before AI, was basically the last control the professional caste had over the Capital class. The kids can understand this. Strangely, there is a surprising number of adults who don't seem to ever make the jump to understanding not everyone has entirely benevolent intentions hidden behind their smile. |
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| ▲ | moshun an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Not the person you asked, but my nephews and mentees (all under 18), very plainly see it as the destruction of their own future careers (regardless of field), assimilation of everything meaningful humans have ever created into a copy machine , massive privacy violations, wrecking the environment and generally run by some of the biggest sociopaths in human history. When looking at it practically over the last few years, I think a lot of younger folk don’t see any upsides. I’m very pro-AI myself, but think the kids are quite right in their perspective, and that the tech companies designing and pushing this tech are in for a bad time when this wave finally comes crashing down on them. | | |
| ▲ | thunky an hour ago | parent [-] | | That makes sense and matches my perspective, thanks for answering. I don't normally see anyone on this site admit they are afraid of losing their jobs. My comment here repeats that: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48260369 Personally I don't think the environment is a factor, because young people seem just fine with crypto. I also don't think the privacy issue is a factor because young people don't have much that can be stolen, and if anything they're the ones stealing (movies etc) without guilt. | | |
| ▲ | ReliantGuyZ an hour ago | parent [-] | | That's an interesting point regarding crypto. My guess is that most young people have very low exposure to crypto, with it being kind of a niche subcultural thing at this point after its height of cultural relevance in 2021, whereas AI is simply everywhere and is inescapable. |
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| ▲ | cyclopeanutopia an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | And I'm frequently amazed how tone deaf tech people are and how disconnected from the general population. ;) | | |
| ▲ | thunky an hour ago | parent [-] | | OK got it. Its perfectly fine to automate away everyone else's job...except their own and their immediate family's. Then we're supposed to be anti-tech and this site becomes a political one. That is unless you bring up wars or fascism or genocide. Because politics is off limits. | | |
| ▲ | wu2Fe7sp 28 minutes ago | parent [-] | | this is a forum for a venture capital firm, everything here is political no matter how the average poster like to pretend it isn't and complaining won't override the financial incentives involved |
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