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randcraw 15 hours ago

It's understandable that unusual patients are seen as confounding variables in any study, especially those with small numbers of patients. Though I haven't read beyond the abstract, it also makes sense that larger studies (phase 3 or 4) should not exclude such patients, but perhaps could report results in more than one way -- including only those with the primary malady as well as those with common confounding conditions.

Introducing too many secondary conditions in any trial is an invitation for the drug to fail safety and/or efficacy due to increased demands on both. And as we all know, a huge fraction of drugs fail in phase 3 already. Raising the bar further, without great care, will serve neither patients nor business.

jrapdx3 14 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Having been an "investigator" in a few phase 3 and 4 trials, it is true that all actions involving subjects must strictly follow protocols governing conduct of the trial. It is extremely intricate and labor intensive work. But the smallest violations of the rules can invalidate part of or even the entire trial.

Most trials have long lists of excluded conditions. As you say, one reason is reducing variability among subjects so effects of the treatment can be determined.

This is especially true when effects of a new treatment are subtle, but still quite important. If subjects with serious comorbidities are included, treatment effects can be obscured by these conditions. For example, if a subject is hospitalized was that because of the treatment or another condition or some interaction of the condition and treatment?

Initial phase 3 studies necessarily have to strive for as "pure" a study population as possible. Later phase 3/4 studies could in principle cautiously add more severe cases and those with specific comorbidities. However there's a sharp limit to how many variations can be systematically studied due to intrinsic cost and complexity.

The reality is that the burden of sorting out use of treatments in real-world patients falls to clinicians. It's worth noting level of support for clinicians reporting their observations has if anything declined over decades. IOW valuable information is lost in the increasingly bureaucratic and compartmentalized healthcare systems that now dominate delivery of services.

harha 11 hours ago | parent [-]

This could at least be done after release, but I don’t think any incentives are there, while collecting the data is incredibly difficult

blackbear_ 3 hours ago | parent [-]

It is done, in many countries there are legal requirements to report adverse events whenever they are observed upon use

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmacovigilance#Adverse_even...

fwip 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It seems like the current situation is doing a disservice to "unusual" patients (who may actually make up the majority of patients).

doctorpangloss 5 hours ago | parent [-]

how do you figure? absolute SAE rate increases 2 percentage points. nothing changes about relative SAE rate. does it change anything about your choice between different health technologies? no.