| ▲ | Nova Programming Language(nova-lang.net) |
| 96 points by surprisetalk 15 hours ago | 50 comments |
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| ▲ | ajkjk 12 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| ahem, by law programming languages must have code samples on the front page |
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| ▲ | sema4hacker 12 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Yes, after wandering through a few pages trying to find an example that actually did something, I gave up and moved on. | | |
| ▲ | saghm an hour ago | parent [-] | | This was especially confusing to me when I clicked on the "try" button and was dropped into a page with an empty text box. Most playgrounds I've seen before at least have a "hello world" there. There's a run button, but it's not particularly useful with an empty file! |
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| ▲ | picometer 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The code block after "Welcome" is the code sample. Very literate. | | |
| ▲ | graypegg 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Is it meant to do something? It doesn't follow the same cause/effect syntax as the tutorial, and plopping that welcome block into https://playground.nova-lang.net/ doesn't seem to do anything. I assume it's the note taking part of the syntax? | | |
| ▲ | casuallyblue 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | Its not necessarily meant to do anything on its own. The text there is the same cause/effect syntax, just with slightly different delimiters. If you were to include the fact it needs to execute for the rule to work on after the code, like: "|| - Welcome to Nova! -", then the rule would execute. | | |
| ▲ | graypegg 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | OH! Ok that makes more sense. `:` from the tutorial is `-` or `~`, because it's the first char after the pipe. I do lose track after that though, in my brain, It looks like the entire second part after the second pipe character should be just one long fact assigned to the stack between tildes, but I think it's adding each one of the bullet-prefixed lines to it. | | |
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| ▲ | macintux 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | A caption for that sample, indicating it is one, would help. |
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| ▲ | user2342 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's there, but yes the home page is very confusing. I lost interest very fast. | |
| ▲ | guywithahat 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I found some example code on their github https://github.com/dan-online/Nova | | |
| ▲ | forgotpwd16 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | This is an unrelated synonymous language. Besides this and submitted one, there're few others found online, one[0] being 20y+ old (first release 06/2003). There's also a research one on functional parallel programming[1], but no public implementation seems to exist. (Though conceptually Futhark is similar; maybe that Nova even influenced Futhark's creation.) [0]: http://www.navgen.com/nova/index.html [1]: https://research.nvidia.com/publication/2013-07_nova-functio... | | |
| ▲ | xigoi 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | *homonymous (a synonym is the opposite of a homonym) | | |
| ▲ | anonym29 4 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Are you sure that a synonym is the opposite of a homonym, rather than say, the logical inverse corollary of a homonym? I'd think "the opposite of a homonym" would just be a word spelled differently from the target word, no? |
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| ▲ | BoiledCabbage 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| While I'm not clear on how it scales to more broader problems, it's nice to see a somewhat novel idea in programming languages vs the same rehash of algol derived languages. I do think I've seen something similar. A language mainly driven off of pattern matching, but I don't recall where. Does anyone know of prior art? Or is this completely novel? |
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| ▲ | shrubble 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | SNOBOL, SPITBOL and the Icon and Unicon languages are heavy with pattern matching. There’s a book on “Snobol for the Humanities” but it doesn’t have a strong focus on UI; everything at the time it was written used a simple terminal interface like a REPL with no advanced terminal handling. | | |
| ▲ | BoiledCabbage 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I thought it was SNOBOL I was thinking of, but then I looked up the SNOBOL syntax and that wasn't it. Then I thought maybe REBOL but that wasn't it either. Following up from a comment below it was Eve that it seemed more similar to me (at least at first view). And also replying to one more comment below. Modal on the developer June's website reminds me of Maude. If feel like term re-rewiting languages have a really cool idea in then that are just waiting to take off. Funny enough I think Maude also has a pattern matching system like Nova. although it's I believe an unordered bag of terms to match against instead of an ordered stack. | | | |
| ▲ | jibal 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I wrote some SNOBOL IV programs back in the day and met Ralph Griswold when he visited the UCLA Computer Club. Fun language with very interesting ideas. Looking into Unicon is on my list of things to do. |
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| ▲ | MisterTea 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Prolog comes to mind with its facts and rules matching. | | |
| ▲ | tehologist 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | I was thinking that this looks a lot like prolog or even make with rewrite terms |
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| ▲ | graypegg 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | June's (developer from the team page on Nova's site) personal website [0] points to this other interesting looking pattern-matching-based language she made called Modal [1] which seems to work on a tree rather than named LIFO stacks [0] https://june.codes/ [1] https://wiki.xxiivv.com/site/modal | | |
| ▲ | forgotpwd16 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | So that's why I found the username and language familiar. Was exploring this site few days ago. Besides this page, there's also one on Vera[0], what appears to be Nova's predecessor (at the end there's even link pointing to a defunct wiki under Nova's domain calling it Vera wiki). [0]: https://wiki.xxiivv.com/site/vera.html |
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| ▲ | delifue 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Egison is a pattern-matching-oriented language https://www.egison.org/ | |
| ▲ | ModernMech 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | https://witheve.com |
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| ▲ | ivanjermakov 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Some code snippets here: https://nova-lang.net/introduction-to-nova/sight/ EDIT: seems to be open source, just isn't mentioned on the website https://forge.nouveau.community/nova |
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| ▲ | geenat 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I like the idea of a "markdown for logic", with transpiliation to lots of different easy backends such as javascript. Not convinced the language would actually be useful, but I like the ideas for portability. |
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| ▲ | forgotpwd16 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Some examples are available in the repos of Serpens/Myte[0][1] (Nova in-Python interpreter/to-JS compiler). [0]: https://forge.nouveau.community/nouveau/serpens/src/branch/m... [1]: https://forge.nouveau.community/yumaikas/myte/src/branch/mai... |
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| ▲ | escanda 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I guess this sometime replace org-mode extensively. The idea is sound. The implementation looks good. For instance, I love org-mode export capabilities to standard formats such as pdfs and other kinds of documents. It makes it real easy to export some formulae or docs for some feature. Plus org-mode agenda is just superior and awesome. |
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| ▲ | keychera 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| How does this compare to Rules engine/rete algorithm? I've been developing a game on top of a rules engine and I can't help but feel very familiar reading the 4 Nova core ideas |
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| ▲ | LennyHenrysNuts 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| What's it for? |
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| ▲ | oersted 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Huh... In https://nova-lang.net/implementations/ > Pyra: Runs on Lua > Serpens: Runs on Python |
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| ▲ | arniemiller 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Nice. The learn page reminded me of https://learnxinyminutes.com/ which I really liked as a quick way to get a tour of a language. |
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| ▲ | satiric 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This feels like prolog, although I don't remember much about prolog apart from writing about 3 lines to get a CS degree. What puts this apart from prolog? (And are there, you know, reasons for using the language?) |
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| ▲ | yumaikas 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | (Nova dev here) Nova's execution model is a lot friendlier to implement vs Prolog, for one. One big reason reach for Nova are when I have something -very- state-machine shaped. It is quite good at that. I'll try to come back later with more explanations | | |
| ▲ | ModernMech 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | When you say "friendlier" does that also mean "less powerful"? Prolog's execution engine is very capable, so does Nova give up some of that power in exchange for friendliness or does it somehow retain it? | | |
| ▲ | yumaikas an hour ago | parent [-] | | Depends on what you mean by power, I suppose. Nova is Turing complete, so there's that. One big difference between Nova and -most- logic languages is that "forgetting" things is a normal part of operation. Nova is also forward chaining, rather than backtracking. The end result ends up with Nova programs being something closer to an interpreter in a lot of cases, and writing inputs for said interpreter. So, Nova doesn't do as much on your behalf as Prolog does, deliberately trying to be easier to reason about, and to have more predictable performance characteristics. |
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| ▲ | seg_lol 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Is this literate Prolog for Org Mode? |
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| ▲ | 155231 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
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| ▲ | almosthere 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Did you have 3 seconds to see that there is a Nova code editor out there? (edit: this comment is about name confusion) |
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| ▲ | airstrike 12 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Please don't complain about tangential annoyances—e.g. article or website formats, name collisions, or back-button breakage. They're too common to be interesting. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html | |
| ▲ | gkbrk 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Who would confuse a programming language and a text editor? | |
| ▲ | jibal 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Even if that mattered, you could express it without being rude. | |
| ▲ | escanda 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Most likely has a language server thus interoperable with most editors out there. Some config might be necessary though. | | |
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| ▲ | bobanrocky 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| The glory days of programming languages are coming to a close. Within the next 5 years, most non-specialized coding will be AI generated. The underlying programming language will likely be python or JS, some Java maybe |