| ▲ | sneak a day ago |
| There is no foss competitor to Excel. |
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| ▲ | adornKey a day ago | parent | next [-] |
| Libre Office Calc is pretty similar to Excel for general use. For importing csv files it has always been superior to Excel. Some niche areas in Calc are also better than Excel. Inflexible users are locked into Excel, but for general purpose use Calc is all you need. |
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| ▲ | trollbridge 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Libre Office is great for replicating what Excel did 10 years ago. Excel has a lot of things that power users use (like Power Query) that Libre Office simply isn't even trying to replicate. | |
| ▲ | jimnotgym 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | When developers tell me that I could use Calc rather than Excel, I ask them if they would be OK being forced to use Emacs or Vim, whichever is the opposite of what they spent the last decade perfecting. |
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| ▲ | hoistbypetard a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| For legacy spreadsheets, you're 100% correct. I'll need to keep a version of Excel around forever. If they price me out of 365 by making me pay for Copilot shit I don't use or want, a perpetual license to Office 2019 runs about $20 and will do that job for me. For new work that I might have otherwise done in Excel, there are good options. Collabora works. Libre Office works. Google sheets works. And Grist is quite good, and self-hostable. |
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| ▲ | tzs 13 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > If they price me out of 365 by making me pay for Copilot shit I don't use or want [...] In case you aren't aware, when they try to sneak Copilot onto your plan you can get rid of it by going to your plan management page and canceling. One of the offers they should offer to try to get you to stay is your old plan without Copilot. | |
| ▲ | moepstar 21 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > a perpetual license to Office 2019 runs about $20 and will do that job for me. Isn’t that only perpetual as long as the activation servers are up? | | |
| ▲ | hoistbypetard 21 hours ago | parent [-] | | Probably. I meant "perpetual" as opposed to "subscription" but I agree with your concern. | | |
| ▲ | nottorp 20 hours ago | parent [-] | | You just stash a cracked version downloaded off some high seas site just in case. |
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| ▲ | sneak a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | None of the things you listed are suitable replacements for Excel. None. It has nothing to do with existing files/compatibility. Excel is unparalleled. | | |
| ▲ | hoistbypetard 21 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That depends on your workload. I've been using Excel since 1993, and I find the things I've listed help me get things done just as well as Excel does, unless I have a pile of macros and vbscript I need to interop with. This is not theoretical; I learned it by needing to get shit done in a context where having an activated copy of Excel wasn't practical. Excel was paralleled and in one case surpassed. | |
| ▲ | array_key_first 21 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The solution is actually just not using Excel. If you're essentially using Excel as a LOB backend and database, that should probably not be in Excel. It's fine if you have a few formulas. As soon as you're busting out macros it's time to sunset the workbook and make an application. There's a lot of God Excel workbooks sitting around on share drives with no audibility or quality control. | | |
| ▲ | justapassenger 17 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yes, there's many many cases that should likely not be using Excel. But given that Excel is the second-best tool for everything, world runs on it. And when you try to build systems to replace Excel for a specific task, you quickly learn how extremely powerful Excel is and how hard is to replace it and add value that customers would care about. | | |
| ▲ | array_key_first 16 hours ago | parent [-] | | I've been there, the problem is that replacements are not as versatile or "floppy". But that's also a good thing, because Excel is too versatile to the point where most workbooks are filled with bugs on top of bugs and nobody cares. | | |
| ▲ | justapassenger 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yes, bugs in sheets are worst part of excel, by far. But many end users prefer dealing with bugs than with inflexible software that doesn’t understand all the different ways how real world is messy and hard to model. I hate using Excel. But I 100% understand why world runs on it. |
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| ▲ | baranul 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Have to disagree. It depends on what you are doing. That the alternatives can be replacements, including the open source ones, is relative and should be looked at as a percentage. If you listed out all the things that Excel can do, we might find that the alternative is at 80% or so (just a number), with some additional things that Excel can't do. That 80% could be good enough to switch. It should not be looked at as "all or nothing", especially for every person or business. | |
| ▲ | chris_wot 21 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Can it open Quattro Pro files? |
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| ▲ | boh a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Open Office, Libre Office, Only Office to start. |
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| ▲ | embedding-shape a day ago | parent | next [-] | | I want to love these, mostly because they're FOSS and Office/Google Spreadsheets seems to get more and more bloated, and subsequently slower. But the UX is just a lot worse, and it isn't easy to go from one application to another because they're slightly different enough that your productivity takes a hit from all the small papercuts. I'm waiting for some FOSS spreadsheet solution that doesn't just try to copy Office, but comes up with something better. Then it'll feel like it's worth it to learn a whole new program and its UX, rather than just suffering through it because you wanna use FOSS. | | |
| ▲ | baranul 15 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Many would say that the FOSS alternatives don't copy Office enough. Often, by going there own way with various tasks, they create a bigger jump. Case in point, the Linux distros that attract the most attention for common folk and not niche use, are the ones that are more Windows-like. Examples: Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Zorin, etc... The smaller the jump, the more you can convince people to switch over. When there is a significant difference, it needs to be shown what the equivalent is in the alternative. The jump can be a bit mitigated by education or information, but usually by only so much, where it's still seen as attractive. | | |
| ▲ | BizarroLand 14 hours ago | parent [-] | | I think the main issue for most people is that the layout is slightly different, probably to help prevent microsoft from suing them. But once you get used to those differences, (also, knowing that there are a handful of themes that can shorten the difference significantly) then it becomes a non-issue after less than 10 hours of use. |
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| ▲ | Krssst 21 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | LibreOffice seems to have an optional ribbon-like interface for the people that happen to like it (View -> User Interface) (but I don't use this UI mode as I personally find ribbon-like UIs hard to work with). | |
| ▲ | sombragris 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > But the UX is just a lot worse, and it isn't easy to go from one application to another because they're slightly different enough that your productivity takes a hit from all the small papercuts. Speak for yourself. I see that LibreOffice's default UI is still a normal WIMP UI and this is a plus for me. I hated when MS Office switched to the ribbon in Office 2007. "So you want to insert a row in a table? Great, just click on Table > Insert > Row... Oh well. Nevermind, just show me your screen and I'll hunt the functionality in that stupid ribbon." We don't need less, but more, Office programs that respect GUI UI conventions. | |
| ▲ | hoistbypetard a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Have you tried grist[0]? It's self-hostable (and the community version is FOSS I think), and really useful in a way I find better than just a spreadsheet. It's no good for importing complex excel things, but I've found it very useful for new work. [0](https://www.getgrist.com) | | |
| ▲ | embedding-shape a day ago | parent [-] | | That actually looks kind of neat, similar to Airbase unless I'm mistaken. Thanks for the recommendation, I'll definitely check it out. |
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| ▲ | boh a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Check out Only Office. It's an almost total copy of the 365 aesthetic. | | |
| ▲ | embedding-shape a day ago | parent [-] | | Yeah, that's the opposite of what I want, then I'll just continue using Excel... What I want is for someone to figure out a better UI and better UX, not just copy what's out there. | | |
| ▲ | therealjumbo 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | My hot take on a better excel: the two things excel sucks at: version control and syncing. On the backend, separate the data and the logic in the spreadsheet and put each into version control. Then use something like syncthing to share documents with colleagues. You might also need something like bitmessage for initial handshake. Now you have a spreadsheet you can collaborate on in real time over the Internet or LAN without screwing around with a server, a google account, a credit card etc. There's two more things excel is horrible at: choice of extension language and being able to graduate your spreadsheet into a real program. You fix the extension language by using something like web assembly on the back end, and probably bundle one or more compilers to go from $lang to web assembly in order to be user friendly. Lastly you fix the last problem by virtue of doing all of the above. The second two features won't draw in new users much, so they're less important in the short run but make it a lot more sticky. I'm not in a place in life to put much free time into that project, and ideas are cheap ... | |
| ▲ | esafak 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Try https://rows.com/ai |
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| ▲ | stephen_g 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yes, but take OpenOffice off the list, development has slowed to a glacial pace and it’s close to abandoned in favour of LibreOffice, which is actively maintained. Looks like there was finally a OpenOffice release recently but that was after years of people complaining of security vulnerabilities not fixed in the release version. |
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| ▲ | ambicapter a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Google Docs works fine for most people though (not FOSS, but most Office customers don't care). |
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| ▲ | aerostable_slug 14 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | My problem is the knee-jerk "Google will sell/read our data" that suggesting any of their suite seems to engender. It doesn't really matter what Google says in their contracts, too many executives trust them less than MSFT. Agreed that their actual products seem to work fine for almost everyone. | |
| ▲ | mc32 a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | It’s about the same price without the AzureAD stuff or AV integration even if substandard. Also Google emasculated its Google sites. |
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| ▲ | richardlblair a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Or power point. I had to make some slides for the first time in a decade. I was in Google Slides for 5 minutes, then I tried to import an SVG. That was the moment I booted into windows for the first time in 4 months. I started up Power Point and sure enough SVGs are no problem. |
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| ▲ | breckognize a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Shameless plug: Row Zero has real enterprise traction. AWS uses us. 2B row limit, connected, eliminates the Excel security risk because it's hosted. |
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| ▲ | croes a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
| But for many of Excels use cases |