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saagarjha a day ago

I’d appreciate not being called lazy for mentioning a lack of investment on Microsoft’s side to secure their paid and fairly lucrative service that they bought a popular code hosting platform to integrate with.

rjzzleep a day ago | parent | next [-]

Can someone explain what this somewhat recent phenomenon is where people feel the need to defend the worlds biggest billion dollar businesses, that are also often subsidized by tax payer money in weird ways?

How did we go in 20 years from holding these companies to account when they'd misbehave to acting as if they are poor damsels in distress whenever someone points out a flaw?

drdec a day ago | parent | next [-]

> How did we go in 20 years from holding these companies to account when they'd misbehave to acting as if they are poor damsels in distress whenever someone points out a flaw?

Honestly I think the problem is more a rosy view of the past versus any actual change in behavior. There have always been defenders of such companies.

hexbin010 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> How did we go in 20 years from holding these companies to account when they'd misbehave to acting as if they are poor damsels in distress whenever someone points out a flaw?

They hired a ton of people on very very good salaries

tonyhart7 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think big tech being so big now that these "issue" is too small for their priority is saying something

You better thank god for MS for being lazy and incompetent, the last thing we want for big tech is being innovative and have a stronger monopoly

nsoqm a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The original comment said to stop giving money to these companies if they are not giving you a satisfactory service.

The opposite, to be lazy and to continue giving them money whilst being unhappy with what you get in return, would actually be more like defending the companies.

ImPostingOnHN a day ago | parent [-]

The original comment actually criticized Microsoft for a lack of investment to secure their paid and fairly lucrative service that they bought a popular code hosting platform to integrate with.

The opposite we see here: to not criticize them; to blame Microsoft's failure on the critics; and even to discourage any such criticism, are actually more like defending large companies.

miohtama 21 hours ago | parent [-]

It is a lucrative service just because people are lazy and keep buying from Microsoft. Otherwise, they would migrate to better alternatives.

This especially includes governments and other institutional buyers.

thrdbndndn a day ago | parent | prev [-]

I won't "defend" Microsoft in this case, but I am always annoyed by phrases like "world's biggest billion-dollar businesses... bablah".

Their size or past misbehaviors shouldn't be relevant to this discussion. Bringing those up feels a bit like an ad hominem. Whether criticism is valid should depend entirely on how GitHub Actions actually works and how it compares to similar services.

gcr a day ago | parent | next [-]

Ad hominem applies to people. Corporations aren’t people, and ICs aren’t corporations.

Sl1mb0 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Microsoft's past behavior _may_ explain *why* there is a lack of investment in Github Actions; so yes, TheFeelz are relevant.

thrdbndndn a day ago | parent [-]

Then I agree with this. But still feel their size is irrelevant.

Tostino a day ago | parent [-]

Their size is relevant in so far as it allows them to make really any investment they want to in GHA without it causing a cash flow problem.

wizzwizz4 a day ago | parent | prev [-]

> Their size or past misbehaviors shouldn't be relevant to this discussion.

If the past misbehaviours are exactly the same shape, there's not all that much point re-hashing the same discussion with the nouns renamed.

ironmagma a day ago | parent | prev [-]

There is a massive problem in open source where some people equate pointing out a problem with being too lazy to solve it — when in reality this just stifles the conversation. Especially when a prerequisite to any group project accomplishing anything is to first discuss the problem to be solved.

rjzzleep a day ago | parent [-]

No that's actually a completely different issue. You're talking about volunteers working on side projects that are sometimes foundational to the way the internet works and then people feel entitled to tell them what to do without contributing.

Here we are talking about one of the worlds most valuable companies that gets all sorts of perks, benefits and preferential treatment from various entities and governments on the globe and somehow we have to be grateful when they deliver garbage while milking the business they bought.

ironmagma 19 hours ago | parent [-]

No, that's actually the same issue. "Entitled to tell them what to do without contributing" is not a problem. Let them tell whoever what to do, the response is always the same: "patches welcome," or if that isn't even true (which it doesn't have to be), "feel free to fork."

baq 19 hours ago | parent [-]

OTOH if you didn't pay for support you shouldn't expect support. 'patches welcome' is a very valid response.

ironmagma 18 hours ago | parent [-]

Is not the whole FOSS movement about receiving something you did not pay for? Going as far as to say that’s even what users deserve?

baq 18 hours ago | parent [-]

don't confuse 'receiving something you did not pay for' with 'being allowed to feel entitled to anything' is all. 'open source' is just that, nothing more. if you want a service with your source, be prepared to sponsor it.

ironmagma 16 hours ago | parent [-]

I still think people should want things and be vocal about what they want. This is the natural way for people to know what needs to be built. It is different from demanding something.

And besides that, a lot of people on here do pay for Github in the first place.