Isn't the F35 program considered a failure? Or am I confusing it with some other program?

There have been countless articles claiming the demise and failure of the F35 but that is just one side of the story. There has been an argument started 50 years ago in the 1970's about how to build the best next generation fighter jets. One of these camps was called the "Fighter mafia"[0] figure headed by John Boyd. The main argument they bing was the only thing that matters for a jet fighter is how well it performs in one-on-one short ranged dog fighting. They claim that stealth, beyond visual range missiles, electronic warfare and sensors/datalink systems are useless junk that only hinders the dog fighting capability and bloat the cost of new jets.

The evidence for this claim was found in testing for the F35 where it was dog fighting a older F16. The results of the test where that the F35 won almost every scenario except one where a lightweight fitted F16 was teleported directed behind a F35 weighed down by heavy missiles and won the fight. This one loss has spawned hundreds of articles about how the F35 is junk that can't dogfight.

In the end the F35 has a lot of fancy features that are not optional for modern operations. The jet has now found enough buyers across the west for economies of scale to kick in and the cost is about ~80 million each which is cheaper than retrofitting stealth and sensors onto other air frames like what you get with the F15-EX

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighter_Mafia

A lot of people have made careers out of telling you that it's a failure, but while not everything about the F-35 is an unquestionable success, it has produced a "cheap" fighter jet that is more capable than all but a handful of other planes.

Definitely not a failure.

I'm convinced this was a psyop actually, with the intent of delaying other country's 5th gen programs or development of quantum radars. It definitely had some cost overruns but I think its performance as a fighter is pretty impressive.

Criticism is fair however: they did probably extend themselves too far with the helmet technology, and I do have concerns about touch screens in cockpits (a touch screen requires you to take your eyes off of a target to move your hand to the right location, rather than locating a button by touch).

The F-35 was in development hell for a while for sure, but it’s far from a failure. See the recent deals where it’s been used as a political bargaining chip; it still ended up being a very desirable and capable platform from my understanding.

There's a ton of absolutely garbage reporting on it. No like seriously a ton of the articles are just more mainstream media uncritically reposting claims by a couple cranks in Australia that LARP as a think tank.

Anyhow, a fair assessment is the program has gone massively over timeline and budget, so in that sense is a failure, however the resulting aircraft is very clearly the best in its class both in absolute capability and value.

Going forward there's broad awareness in the government that the program management mistakes of the F-35 program cannot be repeated. There's a general consensus that 3 decade long development projects just won't be relevant in a world where drone concepts and similar are evolving rapidly on a year by year basis. There's also awareness the government needs to act more as the integrator that owns the project to avoid lock in issues.

You’re confusing clickbait articles with reality.

There have been over 1,200 F-35s built so far, with new ones being built at a rate of about 150 per year. For comparison, that’s nearly as many F-35s built per year as F-22s were built ever, and 1,200 is a large amount for a modern jet fighter. The extremely successful F-15 has seen about that many built since it first entered production over 50 years ago.

That doesn’t mean it must be good, but it’s a strong indicator. Especially since the US isn’t the only customer. Many other countries want it too. Some are shying away from it now, but only for political reasons because the US is no longer seen as a reliable supplier.

In terms of actual capabilities, it’s the best fighter jet out there save for the F-22, which was far more expensive and is no longer being made. It’s relatively cheap, comparable in cost to alternatives like the Gripen or Rafale while being much more capable.

There have been a lot of articles out there about how terrible it is. These fall into a few different categories:

* Reasonable critiques of its high development costs, overruns, and delays, baselessly extrapolated to “it’s bad.”

* Teething problems extrapolated to “it’s terrible” as if these things never get fixed.

* Analyses of outcomes from exercises that misunderstand the purpose and design of exercises. You might see that, say, an F-35 lost against an F-16 in some mock fights. But they’re not going to set up a lot of exercises where the F-35 and F-16 have a realistic engagement. The result of such an exercise would be that the F-16 gets shot out of the sky without ever knowing the F-35 was there. This is uninformative and a waste of time and money. So such a matchup will be done with restrictions that actually make it useful. This might end up in a dogfight, where the F-16 is legitimately superior. This then gets reported as “F-35 worse than F-16,” ignoring the fact that a real situation would have the F-35 victorious long before a dogfight could occur.

* Completely legitimate arguments that fighter jets are last century’s weapons, that drones and missiles are the future, and the F-35 is like the most advanced battleship in 1941: useful, powerful, but rapidly becoming obsolete. This may be true, but if it is, it only means the F-35 wasn’t the right thing to focus on, not that it’s a failure. The aircraft carrier was the decisive weapon of the Pacific war but that didn’t make the Iowa class battleships a failure.

My slightly trollish reply: If you have infinite money, it is hard to fail.

Ok, joking aside: If it is considered a failure, what 100B+ military programme has not been considered a failure?

In my totally unqualified opinion, the best cost performance fighter jet in the world is the Saab JAS 39 Gripen. It is very cheap to buy and operate, and has pretty good capabilities. It's a good option for militaries that don't have the infinite money glitch.

The F-35 program was a complete disaster, with enormous delays, cost overruns and very long lists of issues.

Right now it is also the single most advance combat airplane, built in any number, which exists anywhere in the world and guarantees that the USA will be able to convincingly assert air dominance in any conflict.

It freely flies in territory protected by state of the art airdefense made by the country that spreads those claims.

The research and development effort went way over budget, the first couple rounds of production were fraught with difficulty, and the platform itself has design issues from being a “one-size-fits-all” compromise (despite also having variants for each service).

I haven’t heard anything particularly bad about the software effort, other than the difficulties they had making the VR/AR helmet work (the component never made it to production afaik).