One thing that is missing that nowadays you get O365 so also management of employees access and licensing in single env.

You get backups, file synchronization, real time collaboration.

Setting and running all of that is as simple as making O365 account and clicking couple of buttons by one person.

There is no OSS solution that does that.

To replicate that with OSS you need 3 to 5 full time graybeards and it still will be annoying normal people that will not understand “why they can’t just do X as in MSFT tools”.

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bgbntty2 a day ago | parent | next [-]

> You get backups, file synchronization, real time collaboration.

Shouldn't backups and file sync be handled at a higher level of abstraction? Unless every employee is only dealing with Microsoft Office documents and nothing else (doubt it), shouldn't there be a separate backup&sync strategy already in place?

There are a myriad of both FOSS and corporate backup/sync tools available.

As for the real-time collaboration - I'm not sure how important that is. Writer/Word seem like useful tools for documents that have reached their final state before being prepared for printing. I think there are lots of better formats suited to real-time collaboration. Intuitively it seems like text-first documents (markdown, etc.) should better lend themselves to tools like diff or git, or any other collaboration tool, especially a real-time edit tool. It's almost like asking for pdf to support real-time collaboration. I'm not sure about Writer, but Word and pdf documents are awful with regards to edits and git-style collaboration. They're formats for presentation, not editing. In case someone here hasn't delved into the internal structures of the files, remember how WYSIWYG HTML editors jumbled the HMTL beyond recognition? It's similar in that it doesn't seem like the format we want to collaboratively work on documents before finally converting them to Writer/Word/PDF.

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ozim a day ago | parent [-]

*Intuitively it seems like text-first documents (markdown, etc.) should better lend themselves to tools like diff or git, or any other collaboration tool, especially a real-time edit tool.*

Well don’t explain it to me I know that stuff. Go grab 2-3 office workers and try to explain markdown to them. If you’re lucky maybe they won’t leave when you move on to explain Git.

I worked one time with a guy that wanted to convince sales department to write documents in LaTex so then it could be well printed for the customers and also put in Git … well they laughed the guy out of the room - well before he’s even started explaining formats for presentation vs formats for editing.

I see how business people we work with on documents understand I have a cursor here and I type and there is my avatar/photo on top that I am active - I see how they wouldn’t understand Git diff at all and would just move on presented with Git diff not even wanting to collaborate.

	▲	tracker1 a day ago \| parent [-]
		Agreed... The level of integration across MS products in business is hard to entirely quantify. NextCloud/OwnCloud and other options can deliver some of it, but all of it is harder... Just email/calendar/contacts is hard to match... Then file collaboration and syncing... And all the corner cases in the various office formats. Even the non mainline office app, Visio does a lot of things competing apps just don't. I tend to prefer open source apps for myself, and for code projects, I'll focus on markdown for docs etc... but definitely understand why a corp would just pay the monthly Microsoft tax for all employees. With the improved web versions, Linux on the desktop becomes an option even then.

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boh 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yes there is. OnlyOffice does that for instance. Microsoft has clearly done a great job in making people think it's the only option.

	▲	ozim 6 hours ago \| parent [-]
		They don't have EntraId like stuff so management of employees access and licensing in single env - maybe they should pair up with some SSO provider.