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Forgeties79 a day ago

If my calculator gives me the wrong number 20% of the time yeah I should’ve identified the problem, but ideally, that wouldn’t have been sold to me as a functioning calculator in the first place.

theoldgreybeard a day ago | parent | next [-]

If it was a well understood property of calculators that they gave incorrect answers randomly then you need to adjust the way you use the tool accordingly.

bigstrat2003 a day ago | parent | next [-]

Uh yeah... I would not use that tool. A tool which doesn't do its job randomly is useless.

amrocha a day ago | parent [-]

Sorry, Utkar the manager will fire you if you don’t use his shitty calculator. If you take the time to check the output every time you’ll be fired for being too slow. Better pray the calculator doesn’t lie to you.

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Forgeties79 a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Generally I’d ditch that tool because it doesn’t work. A calculator is supposed to calculate. If it can’t reliably calculate, then it’s not a functioning tool and I am tired of people insisting it is functioning properly.

LLM’s simply aren’t good enough for all the use cases some people insist they are. They’re powerful tools that have been far too broadly applied and there’s too much money and too many reputations being put on the line to acknowledge the obvious limitations. Frankly I’m sick of it.

I had somebody on HN a few months ago insist to me that because we value art and fiction, LLM’s being wrong when we need them to be correct (in ways that are also not always easy to identify) was desirable. I don’t even know what to do with that kind of logic other than chalk it up as trolling. I don’t want my computer to trick me into false solutions.

imiric a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Indeed. The narrative that this type of issue is entirely the responsibility of the user to fix is insulting, and blame deflection 101.

It's not like these are new issues. They're the same ones we've experienced since the introduction of these tools. And yet the focus has always been to throw more data and compute at the problem, and optimize for fancy benchmarks, instead of addressing these fundamental problems. Worse still, whenever they're brought up users are blamed for "holding it wrong", or for misunderstanding how the tools work. I don't care. An "artificial intelligence" shouldn't be plagued by these issues.

SauntSolaire a day ago | parent | next [-]

> It's not like these are new issues.

Exactly, that's why not verifying the output is even less defensible now than it ever has been - especially for professional scientists who are responsible for the quality of their own work.

Forgeties79 a day ago | parent | prev [-]

> Worse still, whenever they're brought up users are blamed for "holding it wrong", or for misunderstanding how the tools work. I don't care. An "artificial intelligence" shouldn't be plagued by these issues.

My feelings exactly, but you’re articulating it better than I typically do ha