| ▲ | devilsdata 11 hours ago |
| Is it possible that this phenomenon is specific to people with those mental illnesses? A wider general population study resulted in the inverse effect: https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/15/6/1354 I only did a postgraduate degree, so I don't have the practice reading scientific studies to determine which is true. Maybe someone with more knowledge can chime in? |
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| ▲ | shoo 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Separately from this study, here's an interesting opinion piece by John Ioannidis titled "The Challenge of Reforming Nutritional Epidemiologic Research", published in JAMA 2018: https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/wp-content/uploads/20... > Assuming the meta-analyzed evidence from cohort
> studies represents life span–long causal associations, for
> a baseline life expectancy of 80 years, eating 12 hazelnuts
> daily (1 oz) would prolong life by 12 years (ie, 1 year per
> hazelnut), drinking 3 cups of coffee daily would achieve
> a similar gain of 12 extra years, and eating a single man-
> darin orange daily (80 g) would add 5 years of life. Con-
> versely, consuming 1 egg daily would reduce life expec-
> tancy by 6 years, and eating 2 slices of bacon (30 g) daily
> would shorten life by a decade, an effect worse than
> smoking. Could these results possibly be true?
via Andrew Gelman's blog: https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2019/01/26/article-po... |
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| ▲ | kfarr 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Good thing I drink hazelnut coffee while eating eggs and bacon! It cancels out right? | | |
| ▲ | flowerthoughts 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | You're joking, but that's probably the right strategy: make sure to enjoy things on both sides of the aisle, so you don't have to worry about which side adds, and which removes, years. And then don't fret about it. Aside from that, I'd love to know how each of those items affects life quality. Living long is only a life goal up to a certain age, and from what I've seen around me, that age is very rarely 90. |
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| ▲ | quaverquaver 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | these things are 100% true. I eat one hazelnut per hour and have lived already 230 years. | | |
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| ▲ | phyzome 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I would generally recommend ignoring observational nutrition studies like this one. There's just a massive amount of bunk science in that area. Correlations all over the place, very little evidence for causation. |
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| ▲ | 11Spades 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Studies of larger populations yield more typical results. Consequently, studies of smaller populations yield more extreme results. That's not to say that these results might not be significant -- what you propose may be the case -- but I'd want to see an actual mechanism of action before buying something like this. |
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| ▲ | anonnon 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's well-known that schizophrenics self-medicate with coffee and nicotine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia_and_tobacco_smok... The inverse possibility--that nicotine, and perhaps caffeine as well, heighten the risk of psychosis in those genetially predisposed--has also been considered. |
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| ▲ | aszantu 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Not diagnosed, but eventually I noticed how veggies gave me psychotic episodes that would last for a few days. Was connected to oxolates seemingly. After one week of probiotics psychosis doesn't happen when I eat veggies now. Incidentally caffeine calms me down as well. | | |
| ▲ | jimnotgym 5 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Could you share your probiotic regime please? What worked for you? | |
| ▲ | rendall 31 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Thanks for sharing your experience That sounds really unsettling to go through. I’m glad things have improved for you, but episodes that feel psychotic can be important to look into, since there can be many possible causes, not all of them related to food. If you ever feel comfortable doing so, talking with a medical professional could help make sure nothing else is going on in the background. Everyone’s body is different, and you know your experience best. I just hope you can get clarity and support so things keep moving in a good direction. |
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| ▲ | foota 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Idk about the op study, but I could imagine confounders with instant coffee consumption. |
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| ▲ | devilsdata 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | True, and it could also be what the person has with the coffee. I have a feeling people that drink instant coffee are more likely to add milk, creamer, or sugar. That said, instant coffee is just freeze-dried coffee. There's a possibility its effect is no different. | | |
| ▲ | VladVladikoff 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | I think it’s typically a different species (Coffea canephora). So theoretically drinking bean tea of a different plant could have different health impacts. | | |
| ▲ | scroogey 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Also known as Robusta. I have two different instant coffees at home and just checked - one is robusta, one arabica. |
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| ▲ | tootie 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| No, it affects everybody. Says so in the article. The distinction appears to be that severe mental illness is associated with shortened lifespan so coffee has a more profound anti-aging affect on that population. |
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| ▲ | devilsdata 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | Interesting. I wonder if that extends to any stimulant, or if it's something particular with caffeine and coffee. With that said, the fact that the other study seemed to find the opposite conclusion concerns me. |
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| ▲ | huijzer 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
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| ▲ | the_real_cher 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | Research doesn't show that dietary acids affect body pH that much. There's massive buffer systems in the body. | | |
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