And implicit in this is that it compares very poorly to SOTA models. Do you disagree with that? Do you think these Models are beating SOTA and they did not include the benchmarks, because they forgot?

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saubeidl 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Those are SOTA for open models. It's a separate league from closed models entirely.

	▲	supermatt 6 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> It's a separate league from closed models entirely. To be fair, the SOTA models aren't even a single LLM these days. They are doing all manner of tool use and specialised submodel calls behind the scenes - a far cry from in-model MoE.

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tarruda 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Do you disagree with that?

I think that Qwen3 8B and 4B are SOTA for their size. The GPQA Diamond accuracy chart is weird: Both Qwen3 8B and 4B have higher scores, so they used this weid chart where "x" axis shows the number of output tokens. I missed the point of this.

	▲	meatmanek 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Generation time is more or less proportional to tokens * model size, so if you can get the same quality result with fewer tokens from the same size of model, then you save time and money.