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parliament32 9 hours ago

So you'd think right? Nobody would like anything better than to just get output without worrying about hours or location or anything like that. But if you were in a management position when WFH started, you would've seen velocity go through the floor and stay there. And to be fair, there are absolutely a limited set of employees who are perfectly capable of working remotely with no issues whatsoever. But for the majority.. the feedback we've gotten is there is too much temptation to just do the laundry or dishes or "my wife needs a hand with X", and output just continues to stay low. And while it would be great to separate employees into groups based on who can be trusted to WFH and who can't, it feels too discriminatory and would cause way too many headaches.

So, as I'm sure you've seen in the news stories over the last few years, basically every large organization everywhere has enacted some sort of RTO mandate. I'm sure there are a few smaller startups kicking around who want to keep trying things the other way, but for the most part, the industry has spoken. We can keep complaining about it but short of another pandemic it's unlikely covid-style work is going to make a comeback IMO.

Nextgrid 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> if you were in a management position when WFH started, you would've seen velocity go through the floor and stay there

Comp has also gone through the floor thanks to inflation and stayed there. You get what you pay for I guess?

wiseowise 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> you would've seen velocity go through the floor and stay there

Is this “velocity” in the room with us right now?

simoncion 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> But if you were in a management position when WFH started, you would've seen velocity go through the floor and stay there.

I spoke with my manager about this. This wasn't true for our team, and it wasn't true for any other team in our (fairly sizable) division. I didn't give a shit about any other group, so I didn't ask.

If your employees are spending their days fucking around instead of working when they're working from their home office, I'm here to tell you that when they were in the corporate-leased office, they were browsing Reddit on their phone or off on yet another coffee break to "get the pulse of the office". Slackers and shirkers are gonna slack and shirk, no matter where they are.

The thing to do is to fire folks who aren't doing enough to justify their pay. That's something that hasn't ever changed.