If the Chinese model becomes better than competitors, these worries will suddenly disappear. Also, there are plenty startups and enterprises that are running fine-tuned versions of different OS models.

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hhh 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

No… Nobody I work for will touch these models. The fear is real that they have been poisoned or have some underlying bomb. Plus y’know, they’re produced by China, so they would never make it past a review board in most mega enterprises IME.

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tokioyoyo 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

People say that, but everyone, including enterprises, are constantly buying Chinese tech one way or another because of cost/quality ratio. There’s a tipping point in any excel file where risks don’t make sense, if the cost is 20x for the same quality.

Of course you’ll always have exceptions (government, military and etc.), but for private, winner will take it all.

	▲	raw_anon_1111 an hour ago \| parent [-]
		What Chinese built infrastructure tech where information can be exfiltrated or cause any real damage are American companies buying? Chinese communication tech is for the most part not allowed in any American technology.

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cherioo 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That conversation probably gets easier if and when company when $100+M on AI.

Companies just need to get to the “if” part first. That or they wash their hand by using a reseller that can use whatever it wants under the hood.

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raw_anon_1111 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah that’s not how Big Enterprise works…

And most startups are just doing prompt engineering that will never go anywhere. The big companies will just throw a couple of developers at the feature and add it to their existing business.

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tokioyoyo 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Big enterprise with mostly private companies as their clients? Lol, yeah, that’s how they work from my personal experience. The reality is, if it’s not a tech-first enterprise and already outsource part of tech to a shop outside of NA (which is almost majority at this point), they will do absolutely everything to cut the costs.

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raw_anon_1111 an hour ago | parent [-]

I spent three years working in consulting mostly in public sector and education and the last two working with startups to mid size commercial interest and a couple of financial institutions.

Before that I spent 6 years working between 3 companies in health care in a tech lead role. I’m 100% sure that any of those companies would I have immediately questioned my judgment for suggesting DeepSeek if had been a thing.

Absolutely none of them would ever have touched DeepSeek.

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ipaddr an hour ago | parent [-]

Why would you be presenting what AI tech you are using? You would tell them AI will come from Amazon using a variety of models.

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		You still choose your model. I’m no more going to say “I’m using Bedrock” without being more specific than I would say “I’m using RDS” without specifying the database.

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subroutine 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

As a government contractor, using a Chinese model is a non-starter.