Which is why Firefox is steadily losing market share.

If Mozilla wanted Firefox to succeed, they would stop playing "copy Chrome" and support all sorts of things that the community wants, like JpegXL, XSLT, RSS/Atom, Gemini (protocol, not AI), ActivityPub, etc.

Not to mention a built-in ad-blocker...

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dralley 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

With all due respect, this is a completely HN-brained take.

No significant number of users chooses their browser based on support for image codecs. Especially not when no relevant website will ever use them until Safari and Chrome support them.

And websites which already do not bother supporting Firefox very much will bother even less if said browser by-default refuses to allow them to make revenue. They may in fact go even further and put more effort into trying to block said users unless they use a different browser.

Despite whatever HN thinks, Firefox lost marketshare on the basis of:

A) heavy marketing campaigns by Google including backdoor auto-installations via. crapware installers like free antivirus, Java and Adobe, and targeted popups on the largest websites on the planet (which are primarily google properties). The Chrome marketing budget alone nearly surpasses Mozilla's entire budget and that's not even accounting for the value of the aforementioned self-advertising.

B) being a slower, heavier browser at the time, largely because the extension model that HN loved so much and fought the removal of was an architectural anchor, and beyond that, XUL/XPCOM extensions were frequently the cause of the most egregious examples of bad performance, bloat and brokenness in the first place.

C) being "what their cellphone uses" and Google being otherwise synonymous with the internet, like IE was in the late 1990s and early 2000s. Their competitors (Apple, Microsoft, Google) all own their own OS platforms and can squeeze alternative browsers out by merely being good enough or integrated enough not to switch for the average person.

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Fileformat 5 hours ago | parent [-]

I don't disagree with you, but given (A) how will Firefox ever compete?

One possible way is doing things that Google and Chrome don't (can't).

Catering to niche audiences (and winning those niches) gives people a reason to use it. Maybe one of the niches takes off. Catering to advanced users not necessarily a bad way to compete.

Being a feature-for-feature copy of Chrome is not a winning strategy (IMHO).

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dralley 5 hours ago | parent [-]

>Being a feature-for-feature copy of Chrome is not a winning strategy (IMHO).

Good thing they aren't? Firefox's detached video player feature is far superior to anything Chrome has that I'm aware of. Likewise for container tabs, Manifest V2 and anti-fingerprinting mode. And there are AI integrations that do make sense, like local-only AI translation & summaries, which could be a "niche feature" that people care about. But people complain about that stuff too.

	▲	Fileformat 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		And these aren't niche/advanced features? I'm using Firefox now, and did not know about them. If I'm using them, it is only accidentally or because they are the defaults. But I'm agreeing with you! These features are important to you, an advanced user. The more advanced users for Firefox, the better.

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dpark 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> all sorts of things that the community wants, like JpegXL, XSLT, RSS/Atom, Gemini (protocol, not AI), ActivityPub, etc.

What “community” is this? The typical consumer has no idea what any of this is.

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Fileformat 5 hours ago | parent [-]

I agree with you. But a typical consumer will already be using Chrome, and has no reason to use Firefox.

If one of these advanced/niche technologies takes off, suddenly they will have a reason to use Firefox.

	▲	dpark 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		For Firefox to win back significant share, they need to do more than embrace fringe scenarios that normal people don’t care about. They need some compelling reason to switch. IE lost the lead to Firefox when IE basically just stopped development and stagnated. Firefox lost to Chrome when Firefox became too bloated and slow. Firefox simply will not win back that market until either Chrome screws up majorly or Firefox delivers some significant value that Google cannot immediately copy.