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| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 28 minutes ago | parent | next [-] |
| > Why are people desperate enough to raid their own communities of basic infrastructure? At least in Arizona, it’s a lot of meth addicts. (Friend works in the space, albeit around water versus electrical infrastructure.) |
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| ▲ | swatcoder 6 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Why assume it's driven by desperation rather than alienation? It doesn't take desperation to "raid [one]'s own community of basic infrastructure" -- the news shows rich and very un-desperate people doing that right in the open every day, both with and without the protection of the law. What it does take is people just not caring about each other very much. It would indeed be great to have a society where even the worst off could be safe and secure, but that seems orthogonal to the problem of why people take from others like this. This is not stealing bread for the day's meal. |
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| ▲ | stebalien 24 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| We do need to provide better services, but that's not going to solve this issue. The vast majority of people struggling to make ends meet don't stoop to destroying public infrastructure. Only the true anti-social assholes go there. |
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| ▲ | bongodongobob 20 minutes ago | parent [-] | | This is the kind of attitude that gets us here. "Bad people don't deserve help or services. This is reserved for the morally pure." Or even more simply "Criminals don't deserve help. Lock em up and forget about em." We are still destroying lives over fucking weed. It's all connected. | | |
| ▲ | UberFly 16 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Your unrelated rant doesn't even reflect what the previous commenter wrote. |
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| ▲ | aeonfox 33 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| America needs to reflect on why it's unique amongst first world countries at having third world problems. |
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| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 23 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | > America needs to reflect on why it's unique When it’s unique, yes. In the case, metal theft is documented in Australia, Australia, Canada, France, Czechia, the Netherlands and the UK [1]. (To be fair, I’m not seeing any sources credibly auditing prevalence versus occurrence.) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_theft#Notable_metal_thef... | | |
| ▲ | aeonfox 12 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Right. One instance of metal theft in any country is enough to discredit the argument. As someone who lives in Australia, I've seen it show up in the news here just once. And I've spent time in other first world countries including the US, so my opinion doesn't come from a place of ignorance. |
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| ▲ | sltkr 17 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | I didn't do a quantative analysis (I bet neither did you), but copper theft happens everywhere: - https://www.swr.de/swraktuell/baden-wuerttemberg/heilbronn/t... - https://www.ladepeche.fr/2025/11/14/info-la-depeche-explosiv... - https://nos.nl/artikel/2591857-na-koperdiefstal-in-veenhuize... | | |
| ▲ | aeonfox 10 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Basically a repeat of the sibling comment, so I won't repeat my reply. | | |
| ▲ | JumpCrisscross a few seconds ago | parent [-] | | Not applicable? I explicitly called out that Wikipedia doesn’t provide any sense around frequency. The comment you’re replying to here does. |
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| ▲ | vondur 22 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| These are thieves looking for a quick buck. They aren’t desperately poor. |
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| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 15 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > They aren’t desperately poor Some of them are. The ones using “hard hats and vests to disguise themselves” and “utilizing more-professional tools, such as battery-operated saws” probably aren’t. |
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| ▲ | andy99 22 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Is this what they call “victim blaming”? Why does it have to be society’s fault and not the people stealing the copper? If we have litter and excrement all over the streets, do we blame ourselves instead of the people littering? Is every “this is why we can’t have nice things” situation actually our own fault? How about holding people accountable for their actions? |
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| ▲ | Fogest 13 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Unfortunately even when these people who are a drain on society get caught, they often are treated like a victim and get very light sentences (or even none at all). We see this with shoplifting too. When the consequences are virtually eliminated, this kind of crime becomes pretty lucrative. Especially if you're homeless or a drug addict, you the consequence of spending maybe a single night in jail is pretty much a non-issue. And fines given are absolutely useless because they aren't paid, and they have no assets to take to pay them. I'm honestly a bit tired of nothing productive being done about drug addiction. And I am pretty convinced programs like safe injection sites are pushed by NGO's because they make a lot of money off them. A lot of the information suggesting they are useful is pushed by the same groups making major money off running them. |
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| ▲ | marcusverus 14 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Th US spends >$30K per year on HUD, medicaid, and food stamps for every person whose household income poverty line. The idea that this issue is somehow evidence of the need for more welfare is only possible if you don't have any idea how much we're already spending on welfare. This low-effort, blindly empathetic mindset of "oh those poor criminals" will be the death of our civilization. |
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| ▲ | bongodongobob 18 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Look at the comments. In the US, we aren't interested in fixing systemic issues. We know what causes crime but it's believed that punishment and retribution is the answer even though it's not at all true. |
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| ▲ | baiac 15 minutes ago | parent [-] | | The amount of copper thieves is finite. The fact that this keeps happening means that, if anything, there isn't enough retribution. | | |
| ▲ | mcphage 3 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | > The amount of copper thieves is finite. If that were true, we could simply wait for them to all die out and be done with the problem for good. And since that won’t work, this claim can be dismissed. | |
| ▲ | defrost 11 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | That's one interpretation, sure. Mind you the US already has globally record setting levels of retribution in the form of imprisonment, death penalties, broken justice system etc. Perhaps it's worth looking at other G20 countries with lower crime rates, less economic disparity, police that carry minimal weaponry, etc. and ask how is they appear to be doing better. | | |
| ▲ | baiac 8 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I could tell you, but you or the moderators of this website wouldn’t like it. |
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