| ▲ | Amazon faces FAA probe after delivery drone snaps internet cable in Texas(cnbc.com) |
| 102 points by jonathanzufi 6 days ago | 69 comments |
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| ▲ | riotnrrd an hour ago | parent | next [-] |
| I used to work in perception for autonomous aerial vehicles and horizontal wires were the hardest common object to avoid. Traditional stereo won't help you localize them -- wires are thin so even mere detection can be hard, and one portion of a wire looks much like another so feature matching fails resulting in bad or no depth estimates -- and LIDAR sacrifices resolution for weight and power consumption (which both have to be optimizied for drones). It's been years since I've worked in this field, and Amazon has many smart people thinking about it but I'm not surprised it's still a difficult problem. |
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| ▲ | cesarb 25 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | > Traditional stereo won't help you localize them [...] and LIDAR sacrifices resolution for weight and power consumption I wonder if a more mechanical solution wouldn't help: Whiskers, like on a cat. A long enough set of thin lightweight whiskers could touch the wire before the propellers do, giving time for the drone to stop and change course. Essentially, giving the drone a sense of touch. | | |
| ▲ | cromka 12 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Would help avoid damage with other misrecognized or ignired objects, too. |
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| ▲ | vpShane an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Ah yeah I came up with the solution to that one. It's 'don't fly drones over our heads' approach. Also the 'upgrade the fragile infrastructure so a light breeze doesn't take out millions of people's power.' | | |
| ▲ | venturecruelty an hour ago | parent [-] | | Sorry, not profitable enough, not a "team player". Please enjoy these weekly 1:1s with your manager and HR. |
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| ▲ | bri3d an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Definitely tough. mmWave radar is useful for this use case; I know Amazon were testing it on earlier drones but I'm not sure if they still use it. | |
| ▲ | londons_explore an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Cables don't move often. Why not simply have a map of all of them? Google sell maps of things like this from street view data. | | |
| ▲ | HenrikB 26 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | OpenStreetMap supports annotating poles and theirs cables. It's common for power lines (local and long distance). There are also annotations for communication lines (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:communication%3Dline). There are also public and proprietary "aviation obstacle" databases across the world. | |
| ▲ | riotnrrd an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | All cables? Everywhere in the entire country? Accurate to the centimeter level and updated on the hour? | | |
| ▲ | lazide 42 minutes ago | parent [-] | | It doesn’t need to be at the cm level. Giving them a 10m berth should be fine. | | |
| ▲ | anamexis 37 minutes ago | parent [-] | | A 10m berth from wires would exclude a substantial proportion of houses in my city. | | |
| ▲ | lazide 36 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Then they shouldn’t be flying in your city. As is apparently becoming obvious. |
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| ▲ | bri3d 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Video: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/089CBuGTkcY (it's also in the article; my ad blocker must have gotten me on this one). Amazon are not having a good run with these lately. The double crane cable incident ( https://www.cnn.com/2025/10/02/us/arizona-amazon-drones-cras... ) and the LIDAR failsafe issue ( https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-05-16/amazon-re... ) were both rather surprising from a process and management standpoint. This issue seems more like a run of the mill "problem with drone delivery conceptually" that Amazon will have to deal with. |
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| ▲ | cmiles8 44 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This comes after the incident where multiple drones crashed into a crane. Given that prior incident and now this the FAA will likely not be too kind to Amazon. The permission on drone tech is predicated on very strong “see and avoid” technology. Given two pretty bad screw-ups now in as many months the FAA won’t be amused at the failures in the tech on these drones. |
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| ▲ | observationist 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's an ethernet cable, looks like? That's pretty cool that a drone has enough power to break an ethernet cable. It just got tangled in a single cable, looks like it was run across someone's back yard. That's not a bad failure mode, imo - gives them a little exercise in problem solving, figuring out how to prevent ethernet/cable collisions and snags, and maybe results in sensor upgrades, or they figure out good detangling maneuvers or something. One cable getting damaged is inconvenient, but I'd have to laugh it off if it were my service. 5G would be a good enough backup in the meantime, and how often are you going to get to see these types of accidents (hopefully almost never) so it'd be cool to have a story. "I ordered some flaming hot cheetos from a drone, and it broke my internet cable!" |
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| ▲ | malfist 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | One internet cable isn't a big deal until it is. Or until it isn't an internet cable. That's what we investigate both near misses and minor issues | |
| ▲ | d-lisp 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It would be great that the drone had some kind of tactile sensibility. Go slowly in the opposite direction of said contact first, then if that is not working try to rotate on one of the horizontal axis while going in the opposite direction to see if it make a difference, and if it doesn't then something is stuck on your skin, and you should be able to notice that your weight is not the same as before; if that's not the case, then maybe your sensor is just broken, but then maybe you could be able to notice some difference in the power consumption of the tactile components array, and if that's not the case ... well, maybe that sensor is off too ? Wait ... what are you doing in Madrid ? | | |
| ▲ | dylan604 29 minutes ago | parent [-] | | That would be okay if you were flying forward at a snail's pace so that initial contact doesn't take out the drone. i'm thinking of all of the times my Roomba has plowed full speed into something and then slowly backed away. If drone behaved that way, it wouldn't be very good. i'm also thinking of all of the times my drones acted that way when i was learning to fly and getting cocky. it wasn't good for them |
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| ▲ | bri3d an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | I think it's a typical retrofit outdoor coaxial cable run. The ridiculously haphazard installation method matches my usual experience with cable provider installations, too. |
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| ▲ | mig39 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Looking at the video, the cable looks ... fragile. Would a large bird landing on it do the same amount of damage? Shouldn't it be thick, armoured cable, attached to a strong wire or something? |
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| ▲ | binarymax 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Am I the only one who doesn’t want drones flying all around the neighborhood delivering stuff? I really don’t want this. |
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| ▲ | rogerrogerr 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Solid meh from me. Only thing I really don’t like about it is it’s likely to impact the personal rights to fly drones we enjoy today (which are already being chipped away). Otherwise, they’re probably not very loud or frequent, don’t really present much of a privacy issue vs. what street view already has, and they maybe make the roads a bit safer. Might take some jobs away from delivery van drivers. Nothing seems worth getting overly concerned for. | | |
| ▲ | asdff 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Probably half my immediate neighbors get an amazon delivery a day. The truck makes sometimes two or three stops throughout the day and is there for like 15-20 minutes running packages. The thought of that replaced with drone traffic is crazy. It would be like dozens of landings and overflights per hour. It is already bad enough when the realtors fly their drones overhead. I can't imagine the birds and bees aren't getting stressed out if it's managing to piss me off. | | |
| ▲ | alistairSH an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Same. Even outside the holiday season, there are 5+ package truck deliveries/day on my little street (12 houses). That's UPS, FedEx, USPS, usually multiple Amazon (which always surprises me), plus a couple unmarked vans. Plus couriers in cars. Plus food delivery, at least 2 a night. Almost all the Amazon vans are now electric Rivians or GMCs. That's a LOT of drone traffic, given there's near zero ability to double up on a single stop as there is today. | |
| ▲ | TRiG_Ireland an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | What on earth are people buying that's delivered so frequently? I find the whole concept of frequent deliveries confusing. | | |
| ▲ | dylan604 24 minutes ago | parent [-] | | who cares what they are buying. it's truly none of your business. there are people that buy things on a whim and do not even for a second think about slowing down to buy things at once to reduce the number of deliveries. if they did that, they'd forget about it and not actually purchase that whim. there could also be multiple independent people at the same address buying things in this manner. |
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| ▲ | rogerrogerr an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Sounds like there’s an opportunity for bigger drones where you are. Lower frequency noise, fewer flights if you can drop more than one package per flight. I just have a hard time seeing this becoming a major quality of life issue in the real world. It’s gonna be fine. And birds and bees seem to be fine around waterfalls and airports, I think they’ll survive drone noise. |
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| ▲ | ggreer 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Consider that drones substitute for cars and trucks driving through neighborhoods. For the same payload delivered, ground vehicles cause significantly more property damage, environmental damage, and injuries/deaths. | | |
| ▲ | jacquesm 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That truck carries 500 packages. That drone one or two at best so to replace one truck you're looking at 100's of flights + return flights. And I'm not convinced the risks are lower. | | |
| ▲ | jsheard 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Trucks also don't sound like a swarm of angry bees, in fact the all-electric fleet that Amazon uses around here barely sounds like anything at all. Drones would be a huge step backwards for noise pollution. | | |
| ▲ | pixl97 an hour ago | parent [-] | | >Trucks also don't sound like a swarm of angry bees, Heh, you've not heard my neighbors riced out car then. | | |
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| ▲ | ggreer 26 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | A truck travels a greater distance to deliver those 500 packages to the same locations, as it must take roads instead of flying in a straight line. And roads are much more likely to have people on them than a random patch of ground. Also the truck weighs several tons. The weight requires more energy to move stuff around, and has more kinetic energy than an 80lb drone. |
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| ▲ | malfist 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The semi truck isn't driving through my backyard recording video of me. And I doubt the economics of scale make the truck more environmentally damaging than a drone delivering a single item | |
| ▲ | Gigachad an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | In my area packages are often delivered on what looks something like an electric golf cart. It's efficient, safe, and minimally disruptive. | |
| ▲ | appreciatorBus an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's almost as if .. if noise, property damage, enviro damage, injury and death.. are the problems, then we should regulate everything that do those things equally rather than trying to pick winners among various transport modes. But among other things, this would mean holding people responsible for the incredible damage anyone can do with a car and the people will not stand for being told they cannot go vroom vroom. Additionally since we refuse to regulate until there is a crisis, anything that is new automatically has an advantage over anything that is old, regardless of which causes fewer issues per unit of work (package delivery etc). | | |
| ▲ | venturecruelty 44 minutes ago | parent [-] | | "I don't want a noisy neighborhood, but I want to drive my two-ton death trap that you can't see toddlers in front of and I also don't want to see any of my neighbors and also I want any object in the world deliverable within 24 hours." | | |
| ▲ | potato3732842 22 minutes ago | parent [-] | | >"I don't want a noisy neighborhood, but I want to drive my two-ton death trap that you can't see toddlers in front of and I also don't want to see any of my neighbors and also I want any object in the world deliverable within 24 hours." I live in a noisy neighborhood with commercial truck thru traffic. I don't have any particular love for the noise or the trucks, but the kind of people who complain about noise and machines will mostly don't select to live here which is good because I find those people to be bad generally. |
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| ▲ | ErroneousBosh 14 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Stick some thin strong wire up over your back garden, and order a bunch of stuff from Amazon. There. Now you have a whole bunch of free drone parts. | |
| ▲ | stonemetal12 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Annoying drone buzzing when it works, 80lb bricks from heaven when it doesn't. Not really looking forward to that future. | |
| ▲ | engineer_22 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | no, you're probably not the only one. bring it up at the next concerned citizens action committee meeting | |
| ▲ | xhkkffbf 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I see the downsides. But I also see the delivery vans in my neighborhood that are always double parking and blocking traffic. At least in the air, traffic can be routed in 3d. | | |
| ▲ | venturecruelty 39 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | There are a lot of solutions to this that involve neither vans nor drones: 1. Properly ticket and reprimand the people breaking traffic laws. 2. Properly reprimand the companies who contract out and run the vans. 3. Build cities that don't necessitate driving everywhere for everything. 4. Buy things in stores. | |
| ▲ | lagniappe 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Just as the delivery vans participate with local police through FLOC, so will the drones, soon. Remember, if it can be seen from a public vantage point, it's not private, including what can be seen through windows and behind fences. |
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| ▲ | next_xibalba 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I'm generally pretty gung ho about tech adoption. Nuclear? Yes! LLMs everywhere? Let's try it! Crypto? OK... give it a go! Self driving cars? Heck yeah! But I really, really don't want drones flying over my house, polluting the already noisy soundscape, etc. This just strikes me as a terrible idea. |
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| ▲ | teachrdan 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | My dream is that an increase in drones would lead to a decrease in vehicular deliveries, to the point that there would be a net decrease in noise. But in my heart of hearts I am certain the convenience of drone delivery -- and an absence of sufficient regulation -- would lead to a drastic net increase in noise instead. | | |
| ▲ | hamdingers 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | This dream is naive. One truck rumbling (or humming, in the near future) through your neighborhood delivering packages to each of your neighbors over the course of 30 minutes will be replaced with one drone per neighbor. If they must exist, I hope they're priced/taxed such that they're used sparingly. | | |
| ▲ | fragmede an hour ago | parent [-] | | Bit of a travelling salesman problem, but I think a hybrid approach would be optimal. Have the delivery van drive to a neighborhood, then release drones from the van to deliver packages to individual houses. |
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| ▲ | bpodgursky 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Maybe we should consider this a chaos monkey test rather than castigating Amazon. If Amazon can accidentally take down internet in a large area with a cheap commercial drone... what can a genuine bad actor do with a few thousand of these. If this is any indicator, half the country is going to be blind and deaf in the first day of a Taiwan war, it's going to be be over before we even get back online. |
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| ▲ | engineer_22 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | the ukrainians destroyed hundred million dollar russian bombers with a drone attack in July. drone warfare is very much on-the-radar |
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| ▲ | kazinator 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| FAA is now investigating toys that hit trivial cables? What a joke! If Mikey's RC car hits someone's foot in the park, will the DOT investigate? |
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| ▲ | AngryData an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Well these aren't just toy drones, these are 75+ pound drones before you add the package. You need to get your drone licensed to fly one even a fraction of that weight. | |
| ▲ | malfist 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Does Mikey's rc car weigh over a hundred pounds and travel at 100mph? | |
| ▲ | teachrdan 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Does Mikey aspire to have millions of RC cars driving 24 hours a day all over the country? |
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| ▲ | callamdelaney 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| User error. Who calls a drone in where there are overhead cables? |
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| ▲ | LogicFailsMe an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I'm sure this will sound a bit whack to some of the sorts on here but honestly, who cares? I was at the principal engineers offsite summit in scenic Cle Ellum when they supposedly announced prime Air. I know, I know, what the f** ever, but there was something very ominous and significant at this unveiling. If this were my demo and my unveiling, I would have had a drone pick up a package at one side of the auditorium and drop it off at the other side of the auditorium. What we got was a mock package and a mock drone and lots of talky talk from a guy who didn't last long at Amazon. This set the tone for everything going forward. And the engineers of tech, the real engineers of tech, not the toxic empathy talkers who can't do anything (tm), need to put these people in their place or the enshittification will continue unopposed. I'm mostly out of f**s here having made what I needed to make but it's fun to post here in a position of not caring what people think of me anymore. Make of that what you will. Edit: Come on PE snowflakes! You want to talk about that thread on the principal engineering list about how long it had been since any of you had actually written a line of code? I do. It explains a lot about you guys. And don't get me started about that urgent missive about only hiring fungible people.
Because fungible equals generalist and that's why both you and Google have the horrible retention rates you have. I can tell I'm not the only one that was in the room for that ridiculous presentation from the downvotes. Keep going and no worries, Amazon will have more than enough money to acquihire the people that actually solve these problems. |
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| ▲ | hk1337 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Why would Amazon be in trouble for not knowing the customer has an Ethernet cable stretched across their yard? Even AT&T (Southwestern Bell) buried drops from the pedestal to the house. |
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| ▲ | dec0dedab0de 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | because it should be able to detect and avoid any number of obstacles. what if the next time it hits a clothes line and lands on someone? the FAA investigates anything that might cause shit to fall out of the sky | |
| ▲ | AngryData an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Would you say the same thing if a delivery driver drove through some other cables or objects on your property and broke them despite being in a clear and nominally safe area? | | |
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