| ▲ | sva_ 11 hours ago |
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| ▲ | andriamanitra 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Iran's military spending (as percentage of GDP) is fairly similar to that of the U.S. and European countries. The most recent numbers I could find (from 2024) indicate that they spent 2.0% compared to 3.4% in the U.S. [1], although there have been reports that military spending has increased significantly in the most recent budget. I agree with the sentiment that the humanity should focus on producing something more useful than bombs, but bringing it up specifically when talking about Iran comes off as a bit disingenuous, especially when they have been recently bombed by both the U.S. and Israel. [2] Imagine the roles were reversed: How would we react to an Iranian or Russian citizen suggesting that the U.S. or an European country should focus on infrastructure instead of building an army? [1] https://milex.sipri.org/sipri [2] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/6/22/satellite-images-sh... |
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| ▲ | breppp 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | In Iran one of the armies (IRGC) controls most of the economy, including agriculture, dam building and exports, three areas which are very linked to the water mismanagement. Add the fact that their generals are getting rich through corruption you can imagine the situation is a bit different than the US army Regardless the budget you are quoting does not include the billions that are invested yearly on Hezbollah, Hamas, PMF and Houthis which are strategically considered and used as an extension of their armed forces | |
| ▲ | myth_drannon 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | What are talking about? Iran attacked Israel with ballistic missiles ( before the 12 day war) , not to mention funding the proxies ( ring of fire).
If it invested the money in water infrastructure instead of nuclear weapons or Hizbollah they would not be in such dire situation. |
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| ▲ | rjzzleep 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| They're building nukes? Awesome, looks like you have more information than the IAEA. Unless of course you're talking about the same Ayatollah bomb that Iran almost has since 1984[1]. The drones are produced by Russia btw. You know, kinda how you guys keep saying that you'll punish China for supplying components for them. Meanwhile every single drone that Ukraine uses is built with either Chinese components or is a modded Chinese drone to begin with. [1] https://www.upi.com/Archives/1984/04/24/Ayatollah-bomb-in-pr... |
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| ▲ | dmix 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I don’t think Iran is hiding the fact they are building nuclear weapon tech and long range ballistic missiles capable of MIRV. People dismissed North Korea’s ability to do so for a long time. They thought they were too poor and isolated. | | | |
| ▲ | varjag 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Iran supplies Shahed long range drones to Russia for years now. They became their staple of terror bombings since. They are also deployed domestic production of them in Russia but a substantial amount of components (foremost motors) still delivered from Iran. If you look at the chart of Russian Shahed launches you can see a lagging dip in early August after Israel's bombing of Iran in June. | |
| ▲ | ars 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > more information than the IAEA. https://www.reuters.com/world/china/iaea-report-says-iran-ha... Yes. They want to build nukes. I'll never understand how the Iranian bot campaign[1] managed to convince so many people. [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz8whKktkQg | |
| ▲ | incrudible 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | When you build all the technology needed to actually build a nuke, when you enrich uranium to near weapons-grade, but you never actually assemble the nuke, are you trying to building a nuke? Or are just messing with everyone, trying to make them think you're building a nuke when you're totally not building a nuke (pinkie promise)? Either way, if you are threatening to annihilate another country, I wouldn't gamble on the latter. | | |
| ▲ | rjzzleep 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | > if you are threatening to annihilate another country, I wouldn't gamble on the latter. you mean what Israel is doing and saying every single day? Doesn't seem to bother anyone. | | |
| ▲ | mupuff1234 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | In the Iran-israel conflict it's pretty clear cut who started the rhetoric of annihilating the other side first (spoiler, it was Iran) Anyway, I cant comprehend why anyone would try to defend the actions of the Iranian regime, it's just a horrible regime. |
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| ▲ | energy123 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Israel also said Pakistan was trying to build nukes, but they were stopped by the Indian PM in the 1980s from launching a preventive attack. The silver lining is that we don't have to suffer the internet commentators saying "Pakistan has been weeks away from nukes for fifty years!" You can choose to put your head in the sand about a theocracy that enriches uranium to 60%, holds up mushroom clouds in their protests, and repeatedly violated the NPT with clandestine facilities. Others won't be so naive. | | |
| ▲ | Thlom 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | Iran can of course build a nuke in a relatively short timespan if they want to, but for a range of reason they have made the decision not to. Perhaps they should have built a nuke, if they had one Israel and the US wouldn't have bombed them. | | |
| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > if they had one Israel and the US wouldn't have bombed them If Iran had one nuke we’d bomb them relentlessly. Their delivery mechanisms and ground infrastructure aren’t advanced enough to guarantee launch, and a single Fisher Price nuke is not game over. Iran with the capacity to build a bomb can be dealt with now or later. Iran with an actual nuke has to be dealt with now, or else be accepted as a regional nuclear power. (Which would mean a Saudi nuke. Which would mean a Qatari nuke, and probably also Emirati nuke.) | |
| ▲ | rjzzleep 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's really amazing how a bunch of politicians in the US including can just repeat a claim and Trump can just prime a statement like "the JCPOA was a terrible deal" and people that should be smart will gradually start believing it without ever reading a single word of the JCPOA document. No they can't. Canada can. Japan can, SK can. But Iran poured concrete into the rods of its only, then completed heavy water reactor that would have been able to produce the plutonium needed right after they signed the JCPOA before actually receiving any of the concessions they were supposed to get which would have actually given them leverage.This was also detailed in Wendy Sherman's book. The entire airspace around Iran is controlled by the US's allies and Iran's enemies. Iran would never be able to fly a bomb anywhere close to Israel. They would need a ballistic missile delivery mechanism which's research was confirmed by the US to have been stopped in 2003. | | |
| ▲ | myth_drannon 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | So what was Iran shooting at Israel then, paper rockets? It was huge ballistic missile. | |
| ▲ | ndiddy 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Honestly I don't see why any country would ever enter a long-term agreement with the US. The Constitution says that the president negotiates international agreements but that Congress must ratify them. Due to procedural rules basically making it impossible for Congress to pass legislature, any agreements that don't go through Congress are simply executive agreements that can be terminated with a stroke of a pen by a future president. This means that any remotely controversial agreements can't be expected to last beyond the current president's term. |
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| ▲ | LAC-Tech 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Do you support a nuclear free middle east, or is it just gentiles getting nuclear weapons you have an issue with? |
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| ▲ | bn-l 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
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| ▲ | CGMthrowaway 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
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| ▲ | nozzlegear 10 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > There are innocent people being killed (15K+) on both sides of the Ukraine conflict. But it's more than a little lopsided, and there's only one aggressor in the war – one who could choose to end it at any time. | | |
| ▲ | CGMthrowaway 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | When you say lopsided, are you considering only the deaths since 2022, or the 14K+ additional deaths that occurred in the war since 2014? Because it evens out a lot if you do. |
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| ▲ | appreciatorBus 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Regardless of when it was initiated or by who, the current regime is who has the power to end it today. | |
| ▲ | energy123 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The civilian nuclear program. Not the enrich to 60% and build secret underground enrichment facilities in violation of the NPT -- for no reason whatsoever, I am assured -- nuclear program. | | |
| ▲ | CGMthrowaway 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | Well, enrichment tech supply chain looks like this, US > USSR > China > Pakistan > Iran |
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| ▲ | inglor_cz 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Iran is the "principal-agent" problem embodied. The governing mullahs' interests are brutally divergent from those of the people in whose name they pretend to govern. Hence, the nuclear weapons program and all the cozying up to Russia. |
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| ▲ | nashashmi 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| It was not reservoirs but lack of rain that led to their problems. Now if only you had reduced your emissions they would not have this problem. I’m glad you care for them so much |
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| ▲ | energy123 10 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | This is quite a distortion of the facts to push an agenda. Desalination technology can solve their problems completely, but they armed proxies that attacked the two countries in the region (Saudi Arabia and Israel) that can help them. They also imprisoned the one qualified guy in their country who blew the whistle on their water mismanagement (e.g. farming water intensive crops in a desert), Dr. Madani. You could read the Wikipedia page to learn the other man-made reasons behind this crisis. That's preferable than coming here to play defense for a corrupt theocracy. Not that I doubt that climate change is one of the causes. | | |
| ▲ | nashashmi 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Neither a distortion of facts nor is there an agenda. Maybe a counter agenda. Tehran is far from the ocean for desalination. They are closer to Caspian Sea. But that comes crossing mountains. Tehran itself is very dry. And comparing spending on military exercises to infrastructure tells me you have a political agenda to support the dismantling of Iran. These are not friendly motives. Iran has tried to make agreements with the western world for a long time. But the west has snaked Iran into isolation. Isolation has led Iran to exercise military excursions to develop influence in the region. | |
| ▲ | rjzzleep 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You think that's the only person that talks about the oligarchs excess farming? It's being talked about nonstop. The government just doesn't do anything about it. Iran has desalination facilities(75 in 2022 to be exact). But not enough and obviously only by the water. Iran has way less energy production than Saudi Arabia, which per capita would put it at a 4th or so. That's with the fact that Iran is a massively industrialized economy which none of the states in the area are. A lot of the UAE and especially the modern desalination plants are built in collaboration with France, Spain, China and Japan. Desalination technology transfer and construction by third parties in Iran is specifically restricted by the US. One of the things that would have helped Iran's energy problems is nuclear energy and we all know how that goes. It's kinda cute how you don't think that every single one of these facilities is a target for the US and Israel if Iran does not have any weapons deterrent. Iraq's civil infrastructure was leveled by the US in the beginning of the war in 2003. | | |
| ▲ | myth_drannon 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | Iran has civil nuclear reactors built by Russia and Israel didn't touch them. | | |
| ▲ | nashashmi 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | You miss the point. Sanctions are preventing Iran from building infrastructure | | |
| ▲ | myth_drannon 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Maybe, but they were not building it before the sanctions. Now I wonder if this disaster will be the main plea for lifting the sanctions, "millions will die in the next week!" or something similar to what was happening with pro-Palestinian propaganda. Come to think of it I wonder if the recent burst of news from Iran is just an attempt to lift sanctions and there is no severe draught... Just something common to happen from time to time. | | |
| ▲ | nashashmi 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | They were building and investing in all sorts of infrastructure. And they still are at a slower and expensive pace. Obviously you are a Zionist supporting the downfall of Iran. Otherwise you would not have referred to pro Palestine propaganda |
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| ▲ | merely-unlikely 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | “If only you had reduced your emissions one of the top 10 largest oil producing countries in the world would not have this problem.” ETA: China imports 40% of Iranian oil production followed by Iraq, UAE, and Turkey. |
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