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Chinese companies poach staff from ASML and Zeiss with three times higher pay(tomshardware.com)
30 points by qwertox 12 hours ago | 11 comments
ggm 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Isn't this an entirely rational way for China to react to market exclusion? Given the size of the upside economically this would be a cheap investment.

Most likely, somebody tries to forbid it.

shigawire 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yes and it has done so successfully for years.

An interesting high profile example: https://meet-global.bnext.com.tw/articles/view/47800?

ksec 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I believe one point in time the US forbid its citizens to work on certain companies / technology outside US or risk losing their citizenship.

spacemanspiff01 10 hours ago | parent [-]

I mean even now, there is ITAR, which makes working on unauthorized technologies in foreign countries illegal.

mytailorisrich 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's nothing new. Chinese companies (mainland and Taiwan) have always courted "returnees" and "foreign experts" to develop their own capabilities.

Famous case in point is the very founder of TSMC, Morris Chang, who was convinced to move to Taiwan from the US to lead a research institute, which ultimately led to him starting TSMC.

Of course, as criticality increases so does the number of zeroes on the offer.

wglass 9 hours ago | parent [-]

How is this different than a US or European based company hiring someone with a high degree of knowledge from another US or European country?

What makes this more of a ethical violation because a national order was crossed?

IYasha 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not really news to me: at least one certain well-known telecom company was scouting specialists from all over the world (from US to EU and Russia) and bombarding them with astronomical salaries. I'm not saying no one used this tactic before China. It's centuries old. But in this case those engineers or scientists are super-rare (unique), extremely valuable and desired. So, in multi-billion strategic industry it's worth paying triple for them.

But, I guess, it takes unbelievable amount of loyalty/patriotism to stay when you're offered so much..

Salmonfisher11 9 hours ago | parent [-]

> But, I guess, it takes unbelievable amount of loyalty/patriotism to stay when you're offered so much..

Just offer them remote work and they are gone, lol.

metalman 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Western policy is inculpatory in that it explicitly categorises chips as weapons that only work, if the other side does not have them.This is very much like the MAD principle of nukelear weapons bieng grudgingly accepted. I think we are all better off if war is forced to devolve into symbolic fights, involving badass motherfuckers with swords and shit, it bieng 2024, it would be bass ass mofo's and mofoet's and big piles of physical gold on the line. The present situation has large numbers of passive aggressives, toying with the infrastructure of armagedon, and realy no one much, is enjoying anything now.

evoke4908 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Nuclear

Two4 an hour ago | parent [-]

Newcleeur